• kreskin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    4 hours ago

    terrorists or demons would be a tad better, but monsters checks out. I like to bring in war criminals hiding from international justice too.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        44 minutes ago

        Have you gotten hasbara thrown at u that Israel is lower than some other countries in FARA reports? Yeah.

        • Gates9@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          30 minutes ago

          No but if it’s not bad enough that they are a foreign lobby meddling in our elections, they have resorted to dark money fronts posing as progressive or conservative activist groups in order to hide their influence. It’s fucking insidious.

          • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            13 minutes ago

            Yup, it’s bullshit, clearly they are a functional foreign lobby and as you suggest they should be on the list. But they aren’t, so my pro-Israel friends/family pull up the FARA numbers to prove Israel isn’t the top foreign lobbyist in the US. It’s farcical.

    • rafoix@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      14 hours ago

      They don’t do any terroristic activities.

      They just bribe and coerce public employees into giving an immoral genocidal foreign government infinite money and protection from accountability and justice.

      • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        9 hours ago

        according to statesian law, funding terrorists is terroristic activity. on that basis i disagree with your judgment of:

        They don’t do any terroristic activities.

        otherwise, you seem to have a good grasp of the situation

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        46
        ·
        13 hours ago

        Comments like these make me think that if I were an American Jew I’d be donating to AIPAC. I’d want somewhere to escape to if antisemitism continues to to increase.

        If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?

        • crossdl@leminal.space
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          5 hours ago

          The Jewish people live on stolen land. Remind me what happened on May 14, 1948. This isn’t some ancient claim. It was a bait and switch by England. Benny is just getting old and deciding like all the old boomers that he’s going to solidify some legacy and die off unaccountable.

        • Wataba@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          6 hours ago

          Congratulations, you’re the perfect kind of brainless sheep that Israel wants to justify their genocide.

        • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          10 hours ago

          If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?

          LMAO, the people who leave are getting discounted houses/free land stolen from LIVING families who are now homeless. There are so many fucking reports, documentaries, and interviews about this, spanning back to the 19-fucking-70s. The Nakba is a real historically analyzed event. Fucking Helen Mirren has a quote about what she saw:

          Mirren said of her experience in Israel at that time:
          I witnessed things that were wrong. I witnessed Arabs being thrown out of their houses in Jerusalem. But it was just the extraordinary magical energy of a country just beginning to put its roots in the ground. It was an amazing time to be here.

          Who’s the monster? Look in the mirror, “space cowboy”. From a Canadian instance no less: you exist in a server on stolen treaty land, and you’re support other’s land getting stolen. What else is new.

          • themaninblack@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            6 hours ago

            This is interesting. She had other remarks about Israelis toward the end of her career as well. Less charitable ones

            • bampop@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              4 hours ago

              She had me in the first half, until the magical energy kicked in. Really illustrates how much you can overlook when you’re quite sure you know who the good guys are. I bet the Nazi party also had its fair share of magical energy back in the day.

        • rafoix@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          28
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          12 hours ago

          lol, every Jewish American I know hates AIPAC and is 100% against the occupation and genocide that is currently happening.

          Nothing turns people against AIPAC more than facts about AIPAC and Israel.

        • Septimaeus@infosec.pub
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          12 hours ago
          I don’t think that’s giving American Jews enough credit.

          Israel as a bug-out plan for anyone with Jewish heritage is a distinctly Zionist idea, which is far more polarizing these days.

          But even if some Jews may be given to such a demonstrably facile us-them disposition — i.e., security-at-all-costs with no sense of irony whatsoever — my impression is that many find it impossible to ignore the apparent gollum of this increasingly explicit mechanized hegemonic genocidal fascist apartheid state somehow laying claim to their worldwide identity.

          If I were an American Jew, I would be asking myself “is this what being Jewish means to me?” And I suspect my answer would be outrage to the tune of “no, fuck Zionism” or “no, fuck Israel.” Either way it would consume me utterly.

          In short, I just find it hard to believe the average Jew is especially ignorant, heartless, or selfish. That to me sounds like actual antisemitism.

          ETA: I can’t speak for American Jews but most of the Jews I know are either older and just anti-bibi or younger and openly anti-Zionist. This is in New York for context.

        • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          9 hours ago

          i mean i get it. i’m disabled. i had three weeks from my diagnosis to my first real death threat. not my first death threat, the first one that was actionable. the first nonactionable threat only took a few days. i’d have immigrated, like, anywhere by now if there was anywhere that took disabled people. and i’m literally the best in the world at my instrument.

        • seathru@quokk.au
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          12 hours ago

          Unless you are donating obscene amounts, they don’t give 2 shits about you or your backup plan.

      • halcyoncmdr@piefed.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        17
        ·
        14 hours ago

        Can you explain how Antifa is a terrorist group?

        I’d love specifics.

        What specifically have they done? Who have they terrified? Hell, even just… Who is the group?

        Antifa isn’t a group like Al Qaeda, The Taliban, ISIS, The Proud Boys, etc. it is an anti-fascist philosophy. So if you’re actively against antifa, that necessarily puts you on the side of fascists. Keep that in mind when looking at who is vocally against antifa and trying to demonize antifa.

          • Jessicat@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            15 hours ago

            That’s not the point, I was shutting down right wing rhetoric.

            Sorry misread your comment out with the dog. I agree, it’s just common sense.

            • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              13 hours ago

              What right wing rhetoric? They just made a factual statement. Antifa WAS declared a terrorist org. It’s insane nonsense that doesn’t even define what antifa is but it’s true.

                • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  13 hours ago

                  My understanding of their incredibly vague comment that you are reading an awful lot into, is that terrorist designations are silly and mean mostly nothing because the people doing the designating are untrustworthy.

                  But you can feel however you want about things

  • Jessicat@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    48
    ·
    17 hours ago

    We need more politicians involved in dismantling oppressive systems and seeking unity. He’s showing Dems the way a path forwards. What Democratic leadership is pushing hasn’t worked for a while, maybe try to learn.

    • Jessicat@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      27
      ·
      16 hours ago

      I didn’t even notice the source on my first read…. On second read I still think Mamdani is doing excellent work :)

        • Jessicat@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          19
          ·
          16 hours ago

          100% I just find it funny in this instance and even from that perspective, he still comes out looking like a champion.

    • TheFonz@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      8 hours ago

      Hahaha the leftists have purity tested MAMDANI out of their circle. You can’t make this shit up, Lemmy

      • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 hours ago

        Mamdani would be like a center left politician in Europe. I guess for most Americans anything slightly to the left of a Hillary Clinton is the limit of the left spectrum.

    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      14 hours ago

      Taking a break from denying China’s systematic human rights abuses against Uyghurs in Xinjiang to talk shit about Mamdani, are we? Democratic socialism not totalitarian enough for your liking?