He described the major pro-Israel lobby as an organization “for whom the only thing more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its course is an end to genocide and Netanyahu’s wars.”
Comments like these make me think that if I were an American Jew I’d be donating to AIPAC. I’d want somewhere to escape to if antisemitism continues to to increase.
If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?
The Jewish people live on stolen land. Remind me what happened on May 14, 1948. This isn’t some ancient claim. It was a bait and switch by England. Benny is just getting old and deciding like all the old boomers that he’s going to solidify some legacy and die off unaccountable.
Yeah, I live on stolen land too. You do too. Pretty much everyone does, there isn’t any territory on Earth that hasn’t changed hands to a different ethnic group at some point. And “England” did a lot of horrible things throughout the history books. The Ottomans took land from Palestinians and sold it to the Jews too, but for some reason you don’t want to implicate them in anything… why is that?
If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?
LMAO, the people who leave are getting discounted houses/free land stolen from LIVING families who are now homeless. There are so many fucking reports, documentaries, and interviews about this, spanning back to the 19-fucking-70s. The Nakba is a real historically analyzed event. Fucking Helen Mirren has a quote about what she saw:
Mirren said of her experience in Israel at that time:
I witnessed things that were wrong. I witnessed Arabs being thrown out of their houses in Jerusalem. But it was just the extraordinary magical energy of a country just beginning to put its roots in the ground. It was an amazing time to be here.
Who’s the monster? Look in the mirror, “space cowboy”. From a Canadian instance no less: you exist in a server on stolen treaty land, and you’re support other’s land getting stolen. What else is new.
There were Jews living throughout the Middle East before 1948. Thriving Jewish communities in places like Cairo and Baghdad. Where did they go? Jews were forced out of their houses and had to move to Israel. But there were much more horrible things happening to Jews in the 1940s so most people don’t think about it much. But maybe you pretend there was nothing bad at all happened to Jews in the 1940s, that kind of thinking seems to be getting commonplace nowadays.
There’s no doubt terrible things have happened to Palestinians. But it’s dishonest to be so selective about history. Especially when your goal is to dehumanize people.
But history is history. Today in 2026, 2/3 of racial attacks in my country are against Jews. We have synagogues being shot at coinciding with events in the Middle East. Sorry to pierce the safe little bubble you’ve built for yourself, but anti-zionism is the same as anti-semitism now. What else can we consider it to be? People attacking Canadian Jews because they’re angry over things happening on the other side of the world. Anti-zionists don’t distinguish between Israeli and Jew, so what are you doing be demanding some perverse form of political correctness in distinguishing between anto-zionist and antisemite?
You can get off the “Anti-zionist” ride at any time. There was never any goal to it anyway. Nothing that particular hate group is about benefits Palestinians anyway. Just promoting hate which can only get more people killed, and most of the people killed in the never ending conflict they want to go on forever are Palestinian.
Wow this is some serious islamaphobia here. Now let us watch as you try to cloak yourself in antisemitism while defending genocide. Such absolute bullshit.
So would you support the idea of ethno-states in general? Do you think being against ethno-states as a principle means one is against any given ethnicity that is attempting to found one? If you don’t support ethnostates in general, what is the basis for granting exceptions such as to Israel? Having suffered a great injustice earlier in history? Couldn’t, say, Ukrainians claim this because of the Holodomor? Would you find it ethical for them to, say, have separate rights for ethnic Ukrainians vs ethnic Hungarians, Russians, and others that are Ukrainian nationals?
I’m really asking here, because I just can’t see how you can square this circle without just being plain arbitrary. You either are okay with the idea of ethnostates, or you aren’t. And if you’re in favor of them, you almost definitionally need to engage in either genocide (in the wider sense of any form of removal of a people) or apartheid (having separate classes based on ethnic lines). No? How else could you realize this without one of the two?
So would you support the idea of ethno-states in general?
Not in general. When I was younger I didn’t have a problem with there being a Jewish state, but I didn’t think it was a necessity. I didn’t think there would ever be large numbers of people becoming antisemitic. Sure there’d always be some white power losers, but not any significant movement based around antisemitism.
The antisemitism I’ve seen since October 7 has changed my mind. The attacks on synagogues, Jewish businesses, and harassment campaigns against Jews (there’s even campaigns against holocaust museums) has convinced me that something akin to 1930s Germany can happen again. During that time Jews try to flee but no country would accept Jewish refugees.
It’s a sad state the world is in today. Antisemitism is happening, we know it’s connected to this “anti-zionist” movement, but people pretend it’s not happening out of political expedience.
Leftists have always had a weakness towards anti-semitism (the old greedy capitalist Jew stereotype) as has the far right. In 1930s Germany the leftists and fascists joined together over their shared hatred of Jews. BTW, read about the night of the long knives if you want the biggest “leopards ate my face” moment in history, things didn’t go well for the socialists once they were no longer useful to the fascists. Something to think about when you’re rubbing shoulders with violent people that hate Jews.
History doesn’t repeat itself but is sure does rhyme. We’re in a dangerous time and we know antisemitism is a real force in radical politics on both the left and right, as much is you deny it because it’s inconvenient to your narrative.
The need for a Jewish state is a indicator of a failure of humanity. It’s sad that it has to be this way. Just as I wish that racism didn’t exist at all, I wish there didn’t need to be a Jewish state. But unfortunately racism does exist, and antisemitism is on the rise along with radical politics in which it is embedded. We’ve seen this story play out before.
I’ll do what I can to make sure my country (Canada) will not repeat the mistakes it made in the past when asylum was not granted Jewish refugees from Germany. Recent statements by Mark Carney gives me some hope that at least Canada has learned from the past. But the constant attacks on synagogues in my country make me feel like the efforts by those that have read a history book may not be enough. So there needs to be a country of last resort for Jews.
This is not how I want the world to be, I’m just recognizing the reality of the world we’re currently living in.
She had me in the first half, until the magical energy kicked in. Really illustrates how much you can overlook when you’re quite sure you know who the good guys are. I bet the Nazi party also had its fair share of magical energy back in the day.
I don’t think that’s giving American Jews enough credit.
Israel as a bug-out plan for anyone with Jewish heritage is a distinctly Zionist idea, which is far more polarizing these days.
But even if some Jews may be given to such a demonstrably facile us-them disposition — i.e., security-at-all-costs with no sense of irony whatsoever — my impression is that many find it impossible to ignore the apparent gollum of this increasingly explicit mechanized hegemonic genocidal fascist apartheid state somehow laying claim to their worldwide identity.
If I were an American Jew, I would be asking myself “is this what being Jewish means to me?” And I suspect my answer would be outrage to the tune of “no, fuck Zionism” or “no, fuck Israel.” Either way it would consume me utterly.
In short, I just find it hard to believe the average Jew is especially ignorant, heartless, or selfish. That to me sounds like actual antisemitism.
ETA: I can’t speak for American Jews but most of the Jews I know are either older and just anti-bibi or younger and openly anti-Zionist. This is in New York for context.
i mean i get it. i’m disabled. i had three weeks from my diagnosis to my first real death threat. not my first death threat, the first one that was actionable. the first nonactionable threat only took a few days. i’d have immigrated, like, anywhere by now if there was anywhere that took disabled people. and i’m literally the best in the world at my instrument.
just a little, i’m putting things together. forgive me for being purposefully vague. the last person to do what i do on my instrument, which i cannot yet own because it costs as much as a house in the statesian midwest, did what she did in 1979. almost no one knows her name because it’s a very obscure musical instrument. you only know her name if you play the instrument. she has a technique named after her. i have a technique named after me. there are two people with techniques named after them. i got my technique named after me about ten, maybe fifteen years ago (covid fucked with my sense of time) when i was developing it with a guy named mark in utah. i wanted to call it the gimme, he named it after me and I didn’t quite get what an honor that was. then i saw my photo on the professional musicians association website last month. from the last convention i attended two decades ago. it’s blowing my mind. that’s about it.
Comments like these make me think that if I were an American Jew I’d be donating to AIPAC. I’d want somewhere to escape to if antisemitism continues to to increase.
If it gets to a point where Jews are leaving your country to escape antisemitic violence, who’s the monsters?
Israel isn’t all Jews, and all Jews aren’t Israeli.
Anti genocide and antisemitism are not the same thing, and it’s frankly antisemitic of you to imply that they are.
Congratulations, you’re the perfect kind of brainless sheep that Israel wants to justify their genocide.
The Jewish people live on stolen land. Remind me what happened on May 14, 1948. This isn’t some ancient claim. It was a bait and switch by England. Benny is just getting old and deciding like all the old boomers that he’s going to solidify some legacy and die off unaccountable.
Yeah, I live on stolen land too. You do too. Pretty much everyone does, there isn’t any territory on Earth that hasn’t changed hands to a different ethnic group at some point. And “England” did a lot of horrible things throughout the history books. The Ottomans took land from Palestinians and sold it to the Jews too, but for some reason you don’t want to implicate them in anything… why is that?
I.e. bad things happened before so I should be allowed to rape people with dogs.
What a lovely person you are to be shilling for that monstrous modern Nazi state.
lol, every Jewish American I know hates AIPAC and is 100% against the occupation and genocide that is currently happening.
Nothing turns people against AIPAC more than facts about AIPAC and Israel.
I’m assuming your imaginary Jewish friends don’t go to any of the synagogues that have been shot at by “anti-zionists”.
You’re grasping at straws here.
LMAO, the people who leave are getting discounted houses/free land stolen from LIVING families who are now homeless. There are so many fucking reports, documentaries, and interviews about this, spanning back to the 19-fucking-70s. The Nakba is a real historically analyzed event. Fucking Helen Mirren has a quote about what she saw:
Who’s the monster? Look in the mirror, “space cowboy”. From a Canadian instance no less: you exist in a server on stolen treaty land, and you’re support other’s land getting stolen. What else is new.
There were Jews living throughout the Middle East before 1948. Thriving Jewish communities in places like Cairo and Baghdad. Where did they go? Jews were forced out of their houses and had to move to Israel. But there were much more horrible things happening to Jews in the 1940s so most people don’t think about it much. But maybe you pretend there was nothing bad at all happened to Jews in the 1940s, that kind of thinking seems to be getting commonplace nowadays.
There’s no doubt terrible things have happened to Palestinians. But it’s dishonest to be so selective about history. Especially when your goal is to dehumanize people.
But history is history. Today in 2026, 2/3 of racial attacks in my country are against Jews. We have synagogues being shot at coinciding with events in the Middle East. Sorry to pierce the safe little bubble you’ve built for yourself, but anti-zionism is the same as anti-semitism now. What else can we consider it to be? People attacking Canadian Jews because they’re angry over things happening on the other side of the world. Anti-zionists don’t distinguish between Israeli and Jew, so what are you doing be demanding some perverse form of political correctness in distinguishing between anto-zionist and antisemite?
You can get off the “Anti-zionist” ride at any time. There was never any goal to it anyway. Nothing that particular hate group is about benefits Palestinians anyway. Just promoting hate which can only get more people killed, and most of the people killed in the never ending conflict they want to go on forever are Palestinian.
Wow this is some serious islamaphobia here. Now let us watch as you try to cloak yourself in antisemitism while defending genocide. Such absolute bullshit.
So would you support the idea of ethno-states in general? Do you think being against ethno-states as a principle means one is against any given ethnicity that is attempting to found one? If you don’t support ethnostates in general, what is the basis for granting exceptions such as to Israel? Having suffered a great injustice earlier in history? Couldn’t, say, Ukrainians claim this because of the Holodomor? Would you find it ethical for them to, say, have separate rights for ethnic Ukrainians vs ethnic Hungarians, Russians, and others that are Ukrainian nationals?
I’m really asking here, because I just can’t see how you can square this circle without just being plain arbitrary. You either are okay with the idea of ethnostates, or you aren’t. And if you’re in favor of them, you almost definitionally need to engage in either genocide (in the wider sense of any form of removal of a people) or apartheid (having separate classes based on ethnic lines). No? How else could you realize this without one of the two?
Not in general. When I was younger I didn’t have a problem with there being a Jewish state, but I didn’t think it was a necessity. I didn’t think there would ever be large numbers of people becoming antisemitic. Sure there’d always be some white power losers, but not any significant movement based around antisemitism.
The antisemitism I’ve seen since October 7 has changed my mind. The attacks on synagogues, Jewish businesses, and harassment campaigns against Jews (there’s even campaigns against holocaust museums) has convinced me that something akin to 1930s Germany can happen again. During that time Jews try to flee but no country would accept Jewish refugees.
It’s a sad state the world is in today. Antisemitism is happening, we know it’s connected to this “anti-zionist” movement, but people pretend it’s not happening out of political expedience.
Leftists have always had a weakness towards anti-semitism (the old greedy capitalist Jew stereotype) as has the far right. In 1930s Germany the leftists and fascists joined together over their shared hatred of Jews. BTW, read about the night of the long knives if you want the biggest “leopards ate my face” moment in history, things didn’t go well for the socialists once they were no longer useful to the fascists. Something to think about when you’re rubbing shoulders with violent people that hate Jews.
History doesn’t repeat itself but is sure does rhyme. We’re in a dangerous time and we know antisemitism is a real force in radical politics on both the left and right, as much is you deny it because it’s inconvenient to your narrative.
The need for a Jewish state is a indicator of a failure of humanity. It’s sad that it has to be this way. Just as I wish that racism didn’t exist at all, I wish there didn’t need to be a Jewish state. But unfortunately racism does exist, and antisemitism is on the rise along with radical politics in which it is embedded. We’ve seen this story play out before.
I’ll do what I can to make sure my country (Canada) will not repeat the mistakes it made in the past when asylum was not granted Jewish refugees from Germany. Recent statements by Mark Carney gives me some hope that at least Canada has learned from the past. But the constant attacks on synagogues in my country make me feel like the efforts by those that have read a history book may not be enough. So there needs to be a country of last resort for Jews.
This is not how I want the world to be, I’m just recognizing the reality of the world we’re currently living in.
You aren’t wrong, but you aren’t going to have a sane conversation about Israel on Lemmy.
This is interesting. She had other remarks about Israelis toward the end of her career as well. Less charitable ones
She had me in the first half, until the magical energy kicked in. Really illustrates how much you can overlook when you’re quite sure you know who the good guys are. I bet the Nazi party also had its fair share of magical energy back in the day.
I don’t think that’s giving American Jews enough credit.
Israel as a bug-out plan for anyone with Jewish heritage is a distinctly Zionist idea, which is far more polarizing these days.
But even if some Jews may be given to such a demonstrably facile us-them disposition — i.e., security-at-all-costs with no sense of irony whatsoever — my impression is that many find it impossible to ignore the apparent gollum of this increasingly explicit mechanized hegemonic genocidal fascist apartheid state somehow laying claim to their worldwide identity.
If I were an American Jew, I would be asking myself “is this what being Jewish means to me?” And I suspect my answer would be outrage to the tune of “no, fuck Zionism” or “no, fuck Israel.” Either way it would consume me utterly.
In short, I just find it hard to believe the average Jew is especially ignorant, heartless, or selfish. That to me sounds like actual antisemitism.
ETA: I can’t speak for American Jews but most of the Jews I know are either older and just anti-bibi or younger and openly anti-Zionist. This is in New York for context.
What are you even talking about?!
Unless you are donating obscene amounts, they don’t give 2 shits about you or your backup plan.
i mean i get it. i’m disabled. i had three weeks from my diagnosis to my first real death threat. not my first death threat, the first one that was actionable. the first nonactionable threat only took a few days. i’d have immigrated, like, anywhere by now if there was anywhere that took disabled people. and i’m literally the best in the world at my instrument.
Can you tell us more?
just a little, i’m putting things together. forgive me for being purposefully vague. the last person to do what i do on my instrument, which i cannot yet own because it costs as much as a house in the statesian midwest, did what she did in 1979. almost no one knows her name because it’s a very obscure musical instrument. you only know her name if you play the instrument. she has a technique named after her. i have a technique named after me. there are two people with techniques named after them. i got my technique named after me about ten, maybe fifteen years ago (covid fucked with my sense of time) when i was developing it with a guy named mark in utah. i wanted to call it the gimme, he named it after me and I didn’t quite get what an honor that was. then i saw my photo on the professional musicians association website last month. from the last convention i attended two decades ago. it’s blowing my mind. that’s about it.