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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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The new poll, conducted by Echelon Insights, has Newsom in second place among potential Democratic candidates with 13 percent support, behind former Vice President Kamala Harris with 26 percent.
The number one spot right now is the woman who lost the last election, while number two is the guy who’s been in the news lately. This is basically just measuring name recognition. It’s more than 3 years until the election, a frontrunner is meaningless at this point.
This is a well known human trait.
This is why marketing is so effective.
Yeah, but you gotta keep calling it out when they use it to try to coronate someone.
It might be a less popular opinion, but I’m really hopeful that Tim Walz gets the nod. He’s actually a human as opposed to a politician.
He won’t, they don’t have any dirt on him
This guy will only slide slightly back to less fascism. Remember: democrats are in on it. They let the christofacists scare you a little so you think moderate right is better than them “socialisms”.
Taking out the crazies is paramount, but don’t forget the goal. Taking out money from politics, electoral reform, guaranteed public services, reversing the corporate plunder, and all that stuff.
He’s not actually doing anything, and less than six months ago he was sucking up to Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk and telling them he agrees with them and the Dems need to move to the right on “social issues” like the existence of LGBT and racism.
Newsom is who the billionaires want, he’d be the worst possible pick for anyone else.
God I’ve hated watching the way that this shitshow has turned Newsom into the Dem’s new darling rising star. He’s just more of the same neoliberal shit that got us here in the first place.
Still, though, I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back, and the more voices that we have screaming “this isn’t normal, this isn’t okay,” the better imo. I think he’d be a shit president, but in comparison to the situation we have going on now? He’d be a fucking dream.
I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back
He’s not…
He’s making a lot of noise and saying he’s fighting back. But he got the Texas Dems to return to Texas so their redistricting can happen.
But Cali isn’t redistricting. Right now it might be something that people can vote if they want it to happen, and even if that vote passes it might not happen.
We’re losing actual battles because of his lies and misrepresentations about what he is doing in Cali.
My guy, you know that it’s in the state constitution via the Prop 11 ballot measure in 2008 that redistricting cannot happen outside an independent commission. Voters need to approve side stepping that. Newsom is doing something by quickly putting it to a special vote, but he can’t just overrule the constitution. He’s not the president…
I don’t like Newsom any more than anyone else here, but when the progressive leaders you imagine are now running the Democratic Party step up publicly and take concrete steps to stop this creeping coup, then we can talk.
So…
It’s not guaranteed to happen…
But because Newsom kept saying it would happen, Texas Dems already returned, and it will happen in Texas…
But you don’t understand why this is a bad thing?
You don’t understand that Texas Dems should have never returned?
You can down vote me every time I point out something you don’t like, but it won’t make you right. The people of California are pissed. LA just had mass protests and Trump called in the US military to silence them. They’ve drawn up a new map and it’s going to a vote. The odds are very good it’ll pass.
People aren’t going to decamp for over a year away from their families because you demand it. What are you doing?
And his comment being unpopular doesn’t make him wrong
Newsome is bought by oil
You have a well groomed, better spoken, shady as fuck fake democrat on newsome.
He didn’t care that people were taken, he cared he looked bad.
People aren’t going to decamp for over a year away from their families because you demand it.
Decamp?
If they don’t have what it takes to fight fascism, why the fuck are they in office?
People (including their constituents) are being kidnapped and sent to motherfucking concentration camps, but staying in a hotel is too much to ask of them?
With standards this low, no wonder you like Newsom
If you think you would be a better legislator, then go ahead and run for office.
If you can’t be bothered to run, then you know why they are in office.
Fair. My intention was more to say ‘giving the appearance of fighting back’. My thinking on it was that it is, on net, better to have even an ineffectual example to serve as a reminder that dissent is a choice which both has been and remains available to us all. Your concern about the potentially performative nature of the situation doing damage by muddying the decision making of how that dissent should be handled, however, is extremely valid. Hell, a misunderstanding of what was happening in California even skewed my analysis of the situation until I just looked into it more.
Either way, though, I still fucking hate the guy. I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised, either; talking a big game and then doing exactly nothing while shit falls apart around you is a textbook Democrat move.
is a textbook
Democratneoliberal move.And people are actually doing things. They’re just not neoliberals so billionaire owned media won’t talk about it.
That’s my whole point…
Too bad cathartic gestures win elections, not logic.
We’re so short sighted and bad at making long term beneficial decisions. Idk how humanity is gonna survive
Newsom sounds like a typical Democrat then
He’s not a Dem, he’s a neoliberal.
It’s way past the time to stop pretending there isn’t a distinction. We can’t just let them keep lying about what they are, because they’re trashing the image of the entire Democratic party.
They don’t have the same goals, strategy, or process.
Neoliberals are fundementally different than Democrats. And now that neoliberals no longer control the democratic party, it’s time to differentiate the two camps.
Um what?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party. They’re still running the party as they have been for the past few decades. Maybe accept that and stop supporting the party.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
Please define Neoliberal for the class.
Then review the list you have.
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party.
Because the neo liberals controlled the DNC for decades, and if reps didn’t vote for who the DNC wanted in those positions, the DNC would fuck with them and withhold the money that was stolen from their state via Victory Fund out of spite.
They’d fuck over any incumbent that went against them, even if that meant a republican kept the seat.
But the voting members of the DNC finally kicked the neoliberals out of power at the DNC.
The people you are talking about are still coasting off the last leadership elections in the House/Senate when the neoliberals were in charge. They won’t win the next ones without the threats from the DNC.
Does it make sense now?
This is important to understand and billionaire owned media sure as shit aren’t going to explain it, so if you have more questions I’ll try to answer them.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
The chair, who unilaterally controls everything for the next 3 years…
If you think he’s going to fight against progressives, look at the decade he ran Minnesota, it went from a purple state to deep blue and home to some of our most progressive House reps.
If Martin is a neo liberal who wants to keep progressives out of office, he’s so bad at it he might as well not be trying.
Logically that means the reason he was picked is the voting members of the DNC want to listen to voters again instead of screeching at them.
Quick edit:
But it seems you’re conflating House/Senate leadership with DNC leadership…
They should be separate things, but decades of neoliberalism has intertwined the two.
It’s going to take another House/Senate leadership election cycle to fix that, because the last vote happened with the old DNC.
The DNC/Democratic Party is funded by billionaires and corporations. They do the bidding of billionaires and corporations. They want to please billionaires and corporations. They engage in systematic lawfare to restrict parties and individuals to the left of them from having ballot access, way harder and with more cohesion than they ever have fought Trump or conservatives. The influential think tank Third Way wants Democrats to move away from progressive policies and small donors.
The DNC even elevated Trump and other far-right individuals in 2015 as part of Hillary’s presidential campaign. This is the same party that colluded against Bernie, with Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning as a result of the scandal and courts finding that it’s legal to rig primaries.
The DNC and the Democratic leadership are both center-right. Why can’t we have a left party instead of making the Democratic party something it isn’t?
Ken Martin is hostile to progressives and individuals who want to change the party like David Hogg, by the way. Here is some leaked audio that sheds light on the situation.
And an excerpt from Wikipedia:
Later on May 12, 2025, the DNC’s Credentials Committee recommended voiding the results of Hogg’s and Malcolm Kenyatta’s elections as vice-chairs, citing a violation of DNC rules requiring gender diversity for party officers. An election to decide whether or not to redo the DNC’s previous election was held from June 9 to June 11, 2025. On June 11, 2025, DNC members voted to vacate the previous election of DNC vice chair. Hogg stated he would not run again for vice chair after the party removed him and Kenyatta from office.
They just crushed a person pushing progressive primary challengers on grounds of gender diversity and tangentially on Hogg’s impacted neutrality in future primaries, from my understanding. Under Ken Martin’s leadership. This is the same party that favored Hillary in 2016, but now suddenly when there are progressives challenging the status quo, Ken Martin proposed this rule:
DNC Chair Ken Martin announced he would propose changes to the DNC rules that would mandate its officers to remain neutral in all Democratic primaries, not just the presidential primary overseen by the committee.
The DNC even elevated Trump and other far-right individuals in 2015 as part of Hillary’s presidential campaign.
This is like blaming Biden for things trump did 2016-2020…
And when someone tries to explain that it was literally two different people who just share the same title…
You start yelling that “a president is a president and it doesn’t matter”.
I’m sure you think you made some great points, but it’s literally as ridiculous as not understanding “president” is just a title.
The only thing relevant to current DNC, is that they redid an internal election because the old DNC didn’t follow DNC election rules…
Which you’re apparently very upset with, you would prefer to keep the results of a fraudulent election?
Just saw your edit. Voiding the results of an election on grounds of “gender diversity” after several months was the current leadership’s decision. They voted on it in June, unless I am misunderstanding something. The election wasn’t “fraudulent”, it violated their rules and was called into question a month after Hogg started making waves. David Hogg was one of the key people attempting to reform the Democratic Party/DNC and he would’ve been well positioned to do that as Vice Chair.
I want progress. Hogg was crushed because he wanted progress, you can’t rewrite history. It’s undeniable that it all unfolded the way it did because leadership wasn’t pleased with him.
The DNC is not a totally different organization. Citation needed. Billionaires and corporations really didn’t want Bernie back then, and they won’t want progressives getting in office in the future.
Until the DNC only accepts money from small donors, and there is campaign finance reform (looking at Citizens United being overturned), it’s naive to believe progressives will ever have a shot.
Their cash flow depends on pleasing their masters, they won’t jeopardize that.
I guess time will tell. Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
I guess time will tell
Martin ran Minnesota up till the day he became DNC chair…
He’s not some random unknown person, there is zero indication to show he’s going to run the DNC differently than he did Minnesota.
If he does start fucking around, believe me I’ll be the first to call him out on it. But right now there is zero logical reason to expect any difference.
Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
That’s the great part about Martin.
It’s not that he has a view of what voters want, and is going to try and make that work.
He runs fair, unbiased primaries, and whoever wins he’ll put the full weight of the party behind them in a general.
It’s why billionaires are trying to convince people they shouldn’t vote in the next dem presidential primary, and why it’s essential we counter that
From what I’ve seen, he’s further to the right than even many of the utterly useless center-right Democrats.
Out of curiosity, why did you reply to a comment about the importance of differentiating neoliberals from Dems, by conflating the two?
Because they haven’t left the Democratic Party yet, and though the party may be starting to move away from neoliberalism, most of its most prominent voices today are still neoliberals. Running Newsom as a presidential candidate would seal the deal.
I believe we’re at least a decade out from progressives being the main front runners for the party. The baby boomers are still in power because they vote the most, followed by Gen X who is even more conservative than the Baby Boomers based on the 2024 voter data.
When Millennials finally start getting into power and make up more of the voter share I could see progressives being the majority.
Alternatively, if we change the voting system in more states, like Alaska and Maine did, then we could have more candidates winning elections that are closer politically to Mamdani, AOC, and Bernie. It would enable third party candidates to have a much greater chance of winning elections as well.
No bgen xers are not. Absolutely no.
Millenials and zoomers are just as conservative.
In fact zoomers and millenials, the largest voting block now, went trump
Please enough with the age thing
For Christ sakes yes some older people, including me are more conservative, gen exers are cranky and want to be left alone. We are Not more conservative
It is a MONEY thing. Not a generation thing
Youbwongvsee progressives running the country until that is removed. EOS.
Fight the class war. That’s what the real issue is. Not our ages. . Edited. I am more conservative in things like fiscal repsonsibilty, not human rights, Nazi tolerance or any of that shit.
What’s funny is I find racist war mongers on both sides, screaming how had the other side is.
Right on, just making sure there wasn’t a good reason. Thanks for confirming
Thank God this is the top comment here. I keep seeing these posts about him and I’m just worried all the liberals are falling for his bullshit pandering.
time to vote for jill stein and give the election to trump again
damn, if only there was another option
How much have you done to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state? Surely someone who is this concerned with the spoiler effect is working night and day to address the root cause of the issue!
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
So who instead? Bernie? Jesus. You people don’t want anything.
I swear US Democrats learn absolutely nothing. All you have to do is jingle some keys in their faces and they’ll applaud.
This is a guy who wants California Cities to force homeless people to move every 3 days. This is a guy who has threatened to cut funding to cities that don’t “crack down” on homeless people.
This is a guy who simply has one of his interns to write funny twitter posts and NOW he’s suddenly “presidential material”.
And some people honestly wonder how Trump was re-elected.
There are no other options to choose from if we want aggressive responses that the bullies in charge will respect and respond to. Newstrom is it. Perfect being the enemy of good is the typical democrat excuse to sit on hands and do nothing.
Maybe the democratic party can realize what makes the people jump and put a better person in charge of that particular weapon, but that’s not going to happen because the democratic party has no leader at all. I’ve worked in departments that didn’t have a manager and there was a long gap before one was appointed, people tend to just continue doing what they were doing while they had a manager, and if anything changes it isn’t their problem and eventually the entire process breaks down to a bunch of people drinking coffee and arguing about who should be doing what.
I’m not a fan of Newsome, he’s just another Establishment/Corporatist Democrat, an extension of Bush/Obama/Biden, but the popular response to his strong speech and MAGA trolling proves that Americans are looking for a strong leader who will stand up to the MAGA Nazis.
We will never liberate America from the Nazis with weenies like Schmuck Schumer running the show.
We’ll never liberate America with conservative schmucks wearing blue like Newsom running the show either. He’s controlled opposition at best and actively moving further to the right with his anti-trans MAGA pandering.
Agree. We need Progressives with strength and courage to primary the stodgy dead logs who are taking up space in DC.
We have to beat the useless Establishment Dems before we can beat the MAGA Nazis. We need to be what the Republican Tea Party was in 2010.
so that people don’t forget what as establishrent democrat is, newsom is pro-genocide, a transphobe and pointlessly cruel to the homeless. But as long as he is trolling the other fascists its fine i guess
Yeah, he’s just another Republican Lite.
Let’s not forget that Don Jrs savage ex-beast, Kimberly Guilfoyle, is Newsome’s ex-wife. I don’t know what she was like back then, but at some point in time he could agree with her enough to fall in love and marry her. Perhaps she’s moved more right since then, and he’s moved more left, but the fact that they could ever find common ground is disturbing, and revealing.
If he’s left of center, it’s almost negligible. He may not be MAGA, but he is much closer to a traditional Republicans than a Democrat, and not even close to being Progressive.
Gross.
I knew after the 2nd day of Newsom dick riding on reddit that this is what the democrats will shove down voters throats when the time comes.
What would the democratic party do if they didnt have the republicans to use as a cudgel against thier voters?
The blue conservatives in this comment section are suffering from a terminal case of Stockholm syndrome.
who tf cares? i’d vote for a honey badger over a fascist. that doesn’t make this dude a GOOD choice.
Newsom is a fascist.
nah, he’s just a neolib.
You could have voted for the last one that was somehow not perfect, then you would not have this orange monkey shitting himself as a head of state.
Glad that there is a mild learning effect due to recent events
who are you talking to? XD
My fear is that the politics-as-sport metaphor has become too literal. He’s getting attention by hitting at Trump and more Democrats should be doing that, but his actual policies and stances are uninspiring and offensive. He’s another pro-corporate, pro-wealth, pro-status-quo white guy whose best quality is he isn’t Trump.
Completely agree. I long for the day I can finally for FOR something rather than AGAINST something.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
Sad but true. I fucking hate that we are talking about this fucking asshole, but like that bullshit recall election in '21, I will hold my nose and vote for harm reduction. So fucking depressing. You think its gonna be Trump again? If he wants to stay in power, breaking the 22nd amendment, why have elections at all?
I’m having a hard time being surprised anymore. I wouldn’t blink an eye if those criminal dickwads found a way to try to get a third term.
Welcome to every president since Reagan.
Sure, let’s elect a Reagan republican dressed up as a democrat who will spend his whole term trying to reach across the aisle.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom torched his own political party and said Democrats have to speak to Republicans — and reject cancel culture — if they want to win.
Screw that. I enjoy watching Newsom bicker with Trump just like I enjoy when the Lincoln Project mocks Trump. But the next democratic candidate needs to be an actual progressive that supports workers and the disadvantaged in our nation.
I am very willing to debate this leading up to and during the primaries, but once those are done I am going to vote against the GOP no matter who is on the ballot.
I am going to vote against fascism. If the Democratic party insists on choosing a candidate who agrees with Republican efforts to genocide me, then I am going to vote against their fascist too. And don’t come looking for me to whine about it after; by the time the Niemoller poem gets to you I’ll be long gone already.
I’m with you 100% on that. If Newsom is on the ballot, he’ll get my vote.
Why would they care about anything you want if you’re going to vote for them no matter what?
Them: “The Democrats keep lying to us and screwing us over, WTF?!?”
Me: “Well, you keep announcing that you will vote for them, even though they keep doing that, right?”
Them: “Yes, but I can’t figure out why keep lying to us and screwing us over”
Me: “…”
Right?? This is what voting Kamala got them and she lost, imagine the candidate after newsom if he won… Probably Liz Cheney
You can make your case against Newsom during the primary.
If Democrats generally agree with you, then someone else will be nominated. If Democrats generally disagree with you, then why would you expect them to do what you want?
If people were willing to withhold their vote and not vote dem, then the dems wouldn’t be able to ride roughshod over labor issues the way they do now.
If people really wanted Dems to prioritize labor issues, then Dems who prioritized labor issues would win primaries.
oh dear… no they wouldn’t. You’re living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the system is rigged against labor issues. Look at the ratfucking bernie got and he was a compromiye candidate.
Nonsense. Bernie lost because he is unpopular among Black voters. And polls consistently show that Democratic voters prioritize other issues over labor.
Because primaries exist? You know, the thing you’ve been demanding for years now?
Surely there will be several leftist candidates to choose from… Er…
Which is what I’m saying?? They don’t even field left-ish candidates anymore because they know that anyone left of the overton window, enfranchised and able to vote will vote for them no matter what so why appeal to them? The people on the hedge are to the right, therefore thats who they try to appeal to. Which is why you get this guy going on talkshow flashing his transphobia credentials in a desperate attempt to cozy up to the fasc crowd.
But then look at the people that came out for zohran. The zohran campaign targeted areas that dont even bother showing up to vote and it paid off big time.
Do you think candidates just materialize? Do something.
Hence me mentioning zohran. The DSA put up a tremendous effort. But looking at the comrent section people are already assuming that any fight will be lost and pledging to vote newsom if it comes to that
In case you haven’t noticed, the people who show up year after year and engage with the party are the ones who get their policies. If you demonstrate you’re feckless and undependable, politicians will rightly surmise that there’s no point even trying to please you because you don’t show up when it matters.
What are you talking about? The Democratic leadership hasn’t been giving the voters the policies that they want for my entire lifetime. They Democratic leadership gives their doners the policies that they want, but they’ve been pretty open about not caring about their voters.
Maybe if the Democrats stopped putting up awful candidates, who run awful campaigns based on awful policies, then people would come out and vote for them.
I’ve seen the Boomers who think “socialism” is a dirty word get exactly what they want again and again, because they’re the ones who actually engage with the political process in an effective manner. Progressives seem to think circle-jerking online is all they need to do.
Except we saw that to be false in the case of bernie where the party leadership kept putting their thumb on the scale, with superdelegates and whatever.
Feckless and undependable voter means someone who wont blindly vote dem every single time? Why is gruesome newsom spending so much time on fascist podcasts bashing trans people then?
If we got to rank choice vote, I would absolutely put Newsom in above every current potential republican candidate, but the list above his name would also be quite long.
Americans are so fucking dumb oh my god
That’s the saddest part about this entire thing: using the technique of acting like a complete and utter moron is what fires up the American voting base.
Yeah, let’s put up another California democrat that’s too centrist to attract progressives and too California to attract middle America, it worked so well last time…
It only makes sense to those who only think hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
They lost for both reasons.
She ran a campaign that was only I’m not trump and ran away from anything that worked. But yeah let’s only blame sexism…
I’m not only blaming sexism. I’m also blaming that she ran a shit campaign and lied when she said she was going to “prosecute the case against Trump”.
Biden ran an embarrassing campaign, but he had a penis so he won.
It’s almost as if the people who find Republican issues compelling would rather vote for a full Republican than a Republican-lite. Maybe if he curses while doubling down on Zionism he will somehow reach the 3rd rail 🙄
A month ago, I would have said the same thing. Right now though, he’s the only candidate I see standing up to Trump
I don’t particularly like his policies, but I want someone either very progressive, or willing to get dirty
The current regime is far too fascist for me to worry about whether someone is progressive enough
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
Agreed, if you are willing to vote for a Capitalist you can’t really be against Fascism. Good take.
If you want a liar who believes in big money over people vote for Newsome. Can’t have big oil being yhe only one supporting him.
This is a really easy perspective to have from outside a concentration camp.
I hate Democrats as much as the next informed person, but I’d much rather have political reform under a corporatist than an oligarchy
Martin niemöllers poem comes to mind…
How about this time we do the right thing… There’s no lesser of two evils here.
Its the elite. Whatever their political stance.
There most certainly is a lesser of two evils. You’re speaking from a position of immense privilege to claim the opposite
No I’m not. I was raised on govt cheese and donated Xmas. Open floors and foraging more than shopping.
The only privilege I have in THIS fight, is the Nazis don’t swing at white people as fast.
Im speaking from someone who was born before the moon landing and pushed I to a system of poverty that pulls you down no matter his much false hope is given you . you’re speaking from a position of having others fight for you.
I’m fighting for me and my family. Do what’s right, not convenient.
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It’s his turn
You better believe it!
Well he’s not a woman, so…
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