I’m just happy to be here
Have you considered not trying to forcibly migrate a community from one instance to another (without community consensus), and instead building a community with its own merits?
People really don’t like it when a single mod decides to make decisions for the whole community without the support of the community.
That’s why i support taking 196 away from Ada’s control
Did Ada’s actions not have the support of the community or did they not have the support of the mod team? (different things)
Well considering she banned all dissenters it’s pretty hard to guage dissent.
If the initial rule change announcement is taken as a sample then more than half of those comments were removed, so based on that it doesn’t seem like Ada has the support of the real community, ahe just kicked out half the community.
All dissenters? Or do you just have a distorted view of things because you personally were banned?
If you expressed you did not agree with the decision your account was banned.
Hey so im just a lurker but im really worried about this move:
We all know Meta just allowed all sorts of vile anti lgbt posting on their platform so how do we know .world isn’t going that way?
You said you have a line to the top admin, is that Ruud who wants to federate with Threads, a Meta product that will allow transphobia against community members?
“Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative” - LW admins
Especially concerning since they are forcing communities to allow dissent, just like Meta, so TERFs can just roll up in this community and you have to allow them?
any and all terfs from threads or otherwise will be banned. if threads is added as a federated instance, we will simply add them to our list of probation instances in the rules alongside lemmygrad and hexbear. in addition, the way we run our community does not count as enforcing a narrative. because that rule does not apply to us, we do not have to deal with it.
Yikes
I see you’re getting a lot of criticism so I felt the need to say I support the decision.
The idea behind Lemmy is that users can be a part of any instance they want and not be a part of any instance they don’t. The same communities can exist on multiple instances and users can subscribe to all of them, some of them, or none of them. Mods are users too so I see no shame in instance hopping. As a user of Lemmy.ca, literally nothing changes for me besides the words after the “@”
To emphasize how little things changed for me, I was actually already subscribed to this community before the announcement was made. I will continue to stay subscribed to the other community on lemmy.blahaj.zone as well. Nothing has changed for me and my subscribed feed.
I will continue to stay subscribed to the other community on lemmy.blahaj.zone as well.
The place the mods said would be taking to “mod only” and thus effectively closed and useless for everyone?
Instance admins have total control over the communities on their instance. The admin can appoint themselves or anyone else as a moderator and unlock the community, so there’s a chance there will be more posts. If not, that’s fine too! I’m subscribed to a fair amount of communities that are no longer active. It doesn’t change anything as I scroll through my subscription feed!
If they dont want to be mods under a specific instance, thats fine. Whats not fine announcing the community will be archived and locked, move to (insert instance here) for this community going forward, with functionally zero warning or even a damned poll about it
You can create your own community on lemmy.blahaj.zone! There’s nothing preventing you from doing that. Lemmy is designed specifically for this scenario. If you do create one, I’d subscribe to it! It doesn’t matter to me where the content is coming from as long as it’s content I like. I’ll subscribe to a dozen versions of 196. Nothing changes for me.
Except the 196 community is being squatted on with a permanent redirect to here. I can respect not wanting to mod on a specific instance, but forcing everyone to move (over stepping down as mod and setting up shop somewhere else), especially out of the blue without consulting with the community, feels pretty shitty. The mods personally might not enjoy the instance’s moderation policy, but I think large parts of the community do! At least leave the space for the people who don’t want to migrate
Then they can literally make their own Community in minutes. This is the strength of the Fediverse!
Moss and the Mod-Team are the ones to call this shot and they did.
Creating a new community isn’t necessary. Admin could transfer control of the existing one to a new mod team if the current one can’t be arsed running it.
Since I just realised that I became a Mod here (when did this even happend? Is there no notification or something?)
I can ask. But it’s still their choice. Maybe they want to move as much members as possible, maybe they want to keep it as some sort of archive. Maybe this was part of the Deal with Ada? I don’t know. The only thing I can offer you is to ask. Would that be okay?
Yeah, I suspect you’re right and that the intent is to bring as much of the existing userbase across as possible, but it’d be nice to know what’s going on. It’s entirely possible they did reach out to people privately and nobody wanted to moderate 196@LBZ, but I doubt it.
Whatever the case may be, I would appreciate it if you could get an answer as to why that was the course of action chosen.
It’s their shot to call to move themselves. Telling everyone else to move feels shitty. I imagine a lot of people will prefer to stay on blahaj, so we’ll likely have to create a c/197 or something. It would’ve been so much easier to just hand over the reigns to someone else, put up a post with “hey, the core mod team is moving, you can find us over here”, and let community members decide which one, or both, communities they feel better about participating in. From the reactions on the blahaj post, not many community members agree with this move.
It is also their shot to move the Commnity.
If there are so many people angry about this, a new community will soon emerge. The only thing “lost” if people over at blahaj.zone create 197 would be the number of subscribers. And when so many people are so upset about the change, you could assume they would willingly flock to this new community. Like People did with !risa@startrek.website and !tenforward@lemmy.world.
But if this doesn’t happen, it would mean that people are not angry enough to make such a move or just don’t care enough about a change like that. For example, I don’t really care at all. I was already subscribed here and didn’t even notice anything at first. But if they had moved to lemmy.ml (for example), I would have cared enough not to follow and maybe even start my own 196.
You spot the difference between that comparison and the current case tho, right? Both Startrek communities are still unlocked and flourishing. By all means, make a new 196 on .world if you prefer it. But don’t lock the old one for people who can’t, or don’t want to, move. That’s just petty.
You can create your own community on lemmy.blahaj.zone!
That’s seriously underestimating the time it takes to create a new community if the old community isn’t on board. !football@lemmy.world recently moved to !Football@lemm.ee , but the mods made sure to ping everyone to inform them of the change.
Not allowing members to take over the former community seems power tripping.
I don’t get why people are so angry. I was subscribed to 196 for the Vibes and The memes not because it is on a specific instance. .__.
A lot of people were happy with Blahaj being very protective of queer people.
If it was working well, why break it?
Blahaj is still there, though; it’s just the community that’s moving.
I only know what was written in the post—something about the “jurisdiction” of community mods/admins and instance admins and how hard to punish people.
Other than that? I don’t know either.
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As a long time community member, I hope .world doesn’t defederate from .ml. This instance has always been “reddity”. This community has always been one of my favorites. I’d hate to lose it.
No rule in title? Believe it or not, straight to ban!
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Of all the instances you chose .world? Yeah this party is probably dead
I wouldn’t be so sure. give it a few days to settle, then let me know how you’re feeling
wait, why not blahaj? I dont get it, it was well moderated there :(
it was well moderated there because of my excellent mod team, all of whom have migrated as well. we are going to continue to moderate on this instance exactly the same as we did on blahaj.zone.
So back to the question, why not blahaj?
There’s obviously a powermod who thinks she owns the instance, her actions are causing this division
This does not answer the question.
So why did we move here?
So why did *they move us here? I didn’t see any attempt at community input.
some longstanding issues with how blahaj.zone is run. I’ll elaborate more once the transfer settles down.
So you moved the community to another instance without any kind of community consultation (that I can see) and can’t even tell us why? The lack of transparency is a bit concerning.
the lack of transparency is primarily due to not wanting to burn bridges with anyone. sometimes disagreements should stay private.
You’re trading off burning bridges against demonstrating that people can trust your judgement, which I think is essential if you expect people to migrate and prevent blowing up the community.
Aw, that’s a shame. I feel like it reduces instance diversity. With that said, I’m sure you have your reasons. I’m certainly not informed on the subject.
while I do agree that it reduces instance diversity, due to the size of our community, many small instances were apprehensive about taking our community on. it is unfortunate that Lemmy.world is so centralized, but when it comes to a community of our size it is to our benefit
Doesn’t world have the single most complained about mod team on Lemmy outside of ml and hexbear?
yes, but our community is backed by the head admin. if we start having problems, I have a direct line to the top.
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@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world, right?
Lemmy.world lmao
Choosing lemmy.world
In 2025
We have decided to move to a new exciting platform named Reddit
See now kids, that’s how the real ones like me do ban evasion.
Don’t go back to the place. Just wait till the place comes to you.
Yee i got perma’d from old 196 bc I dared to repost an article about election fraud that got deleted. Admitted it turned out to prob not be real, said I wouldn’t do it again, but nope, I said something against Trump so instant permaban straight from Ada. Good riddance :3
Busy modlog: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=1051855
Yee, I used this account a lot for venting frustrations in shitty toxic ways. I’m getting better and I’m trying not to be as shitty on here as I have been
Fyi, you were banned on 2024-10-07 due to these comments:
📞 yo i think its netanyahu callin, you gonna pick up or? Link
yes Link
This obviously has nothing to do with 2024 US presidential elections Link
Don’t worry, I’ll let the ban evasion slide 😉
I’m aware which of my comments contributed to me being banned, and I know everyone can see them, and I’m not afraid to say that I did nothing that would justify the permban.
Okay, I get it, these may be considered kind of xenophobic-ish-esque-uhh-not-really, but come on dudes. That’s just banter.
Same. I don’t even know why I was banned xD
🤔 can’t imagine why
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Thanks, the ban is back now
please unlock !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
i want to keep posting on the real lemmy 196. yall do your thing here if u like, but leave me out of that
Welp, they did it. Just not really sure what happens now. I should hope some new members who are a bit more in touch with the community get appointed to the team.
Ditto, I don’t support the move.
I want my trans-friendly community on my trans-friendly server, not .world
We’ll continue there without the current mod team.
.blahaj is a troll friendly community
Debatable. The dragonfucker story is very nuanced to me.
From my perspective, dragonfucker clearly came here to be a shit stir and cause chaos. However, it is important to still respect people’s requested gender pronouns. If you think someone’s gender pronouns request is too far-fetched, just don’t interact with / block that person.
I think banning this individual was the correct move, but misgendering anyone is not okay. Notice I’m avoiding pronouns altogether here to dodge the issue completely.
I’m not entirely up to date on what went down between the instance and the moderators of this community, but it’s clear communication broke down and this one person was able to create a chasm between the two.
What I do not like is the lack of communication on the moderators’ end, and it’s very clear that most 196 users do not agree with this move as it has not been properly explained, and moving to a large instance goes against the idea of decentralization.
Have you actually seen any of drag’s posts that people don’t like, or are you operating based on rumour?
Come on drag, you’re gonna pull a take like that and then wonder why you’re on their shit list? I know you’re off the wall, but come on dude.
Nazis deserve to be shot at.
Trans people shouldn’t commit suicide.
