Addendum: no webcam or microphone. Firm keys. A bios that doesn’t make choices for us and lets you actually use the damn thing.
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How have I ever wronged you stranger? Why does one voluntary collect enemies like this? I beg of you to stop in the name of world peace.
No webcam is understandable but in the grand scheme of things mics don’t cost that much. No harm in having them to make calls
It’s not so much a cost thing for me as rather I don’t want onboard mics/cams in general. The quality is always shit and settings default over there when I never use those anyway.
Come to think of it. As little superfluous bs in general.
…on other news an elderly man thwarted a bear attack by beating the beast with a laptop. The same person could be seen tripping accidentally into the bear enclosure at the world famous SanDiego Zoo animal correction facility where this bear decided serving 3 consecutive life sentences for being at the wrong place and at the wrong time.
The bears family is suing for unknown damages and specially smooth toilet paper.
User needs one of those rugged laptops they use for UAVs and at Antarctic research stations. It’ll cost like 2 grand, but it meets his requirements lol
2 grand isn’t even that much in the grand scheme of things. A new Macbook starts at over 2 grand these days…
TBF I’m happy with an optical drive being a peripheral these days, I probably need mine about twice an average year currently
Agree on everything else though. I miss my 17" from ages ago pretty much because it had a numpad
The thing this tweeter misses is that people usually have reasons for buying, a need to fulfil. Like you don’t need an optical drive included, so you didn’t get a machine with one. Bro is complaining about needing a versatile machine with features like a Dell but is looking no further than the machine designed for prettyboys whose most demanding tasks are Instagram edits and persistent digital life synchronisation.
Nobody ever complains to Nike about their lack of rugged, they walk out and go to a Doc Martens - or they used to before DM sold out
Yeah who knows how old this is. A builtin DVD/CD/bluray player? Tweet has date cut off.
But also yeah, I agree with the rest. I tried with the small form factor laptops for a while but in the end it’s neither here nor there: I’m not taking it with me everywhere (I don’t work in tech), even if it’s small. And the times I do take it with me the size does not matter much - as long as it still fits in my backpack I guess.
As someone who has used the peripheral ones, there is a tradeoff compared to built-in: they break more frequently. There’s just not enough “armor” keeping the internals safe from even just being squished a little too hard in a backpack
All I want is a laptop is 6-8 hours battery life that’s tiny so it’s very portable.
If I want what’s described here I’ll just use a desktop.
It’s not for everyone and certainly some applications aren’t available, but I’ve been surprised how well a tablet can substitute for a laptop. Plus I use GrapheneOS on a pixel tablet so it’s arguably more secure than your average linux laptop.
If its under like 25lbs, its probably still lighter than my backpack in high school was some days without any laptops and that was still very portable.
Also, desktop typically don’t last long unplugged.
Desktop computers aren’t portable. They aren’t meant to be. Whatever this person is designing isn’t very portable, either. If it isn’t convenient to use on an airplane tray table, I’m not interested.
Does thickness/weight matter a lot for that or just the footprint?
For me, if I can bring it with me when visiting family, it’s portable. If all of these were part of the laptop, then I could skip bringing the second monitor and the charger sometimes. So it would be more portable imo.
Thickness matters because the tray table and seat back of the seat in front of you are usually at an acute angle. To get a good viewing angle the screen needs to be open to an obtuse angle. So the top edge of the laptop lid and the seat back will often be in contact to make a comfortable viewing angle, especially if the person in front of you reclines their seat. The thicker the laptop is, the higher the hinge sits. The higher the hinge, the higher the top edge of the lid. The higher that is, the more of an issue this becomes.
Imagine that purple is the tray and seat back, and green is the laptop.
You have options - if the screen is smaller, it’ll be less likely to hit. If you slide the laptop out, it gives you more space. That cramps the wrists if you’re typing, though, and eventually it’ll hit you. Making the laptop thinner gives you more options.
Get one that folds backwards!
If I have a 25 pound laptop with 2-3 bad dragons all the sudden I’m carrying about 50 lbs.
I’m afraid to ask… but is the “bad dragon” you’re referring to the website that sells gigantic alien dildos?
Idk, pretty standard for the trades no? I’ve seen gigantic dildos everywhere from tech backpacks to snap-on roll cabs.
No they are the gigantic alien and monster and fantasy creature dildos.
Thank you for your response, SatansMaggotyCumFart
Don’t be afraid of a good time!
Maybe build the laptop split across the bad dragons and then it’ll be plug and play.
My thinkpad (480, 490?) is super thin and keeps the lights on for like 8-10 hours.
Screen could be better ofc, can’t have everything I guess.
I recently upgraded my t440p’s display from the stock TN display to an ips display (N140HCG-GQ2, should also work on your laptop but finding a genuine is a bit dificult) and it made a massive difference, so that’s always an option if you feel like it.
Wow, thanks for the tip!
How’s the power consumption?
I’ve not noticed a difference to the battery life in reality but in theory the panel should use a watt less at max brightness (4.1W with the stock N140FGE-EA2 vs 3.1W max on the new one), but also has almost double the brightness so does not need to be ran as high. The main difference is with the colours, the new panel covers 71% of the NTSC colourspace where the other only covers 47%. Plus IPS displays just have much better viewing angles so doesn’t need to be viewed straight on.
Eh, heavy laptops are a pain
Speaking as someone who used an ASUS ROG laptop for Uni
You don’t want a heavy laptop
Speaking as somebody who uses a W530 with a 9 cell battery, it’s really not that bad
ASUS ROG laptops weigh 9-10lbs
For the battery issue, how much of that is just because they want to stay under the 100Wh mark for shipping in the US?
https://www.winmate.com/en/Product/L140TG-3
Also, apparently dual hot-swappable battery laptops have existed…
I never understood why that didn’t take off more, like even when you "could* swap out a phone battery for example (miss you old xiaomi 2 & 5 !) it wasn’t hot swappable, even a condensator+some quick deep sleep could probably let you do it if you’re fast smh.
Probably because people don’t use their laptops when they’re mobile as much as you’d think. Spending an additional 100-150€ on a second battery will seem expensive, even when the laptop just cost 1-2k€.
In my dream world you’d pop in and out 18650 batteries in slots on the backside ☺️ a proprietary system would probably be cost prohibitive. For a mobile they had lots of similar flat batteries, and cheap too, but that was then I guess.
Also, apparently dual hot-swappable battery laptops have existed…
Indeed, I still hold on to my trusty ThinkPad T420 for that reason (and the excellent Linux support). Two batteries can be used at the same time, one of them hot-swappable.
The T420 has dual batteries? Weird, my T430s (not recommended btw, but I got it for free) doesn’t have those. My x250 has dual batteries though.
Not all variants, and maybe not in all markets. I will try to remember to get the SKU on it and post here.
OK. I think the ‘s’ denotes a budget device.
Even without the ‘s’ suffix the 420 model came in a range of configurations available.
Yeah I was gonna say, there has to be some ThinkPad variant that… comes pretty close to hitting these requirements.
My Compaq Armada 1500c has dual removable batteries and a removable floppy drive. The batteries can be lithium or NiMH.
The 800x600 active matrix LCD was a bit of a drawback as the years went by. Most of the websites I made back then are a bit small today.
This is definitely the issue for batteries. Anyone who flies can’t have a battery larger than 100Wh.
When they tell me they removed several conveniences to save a quarter pound I’m like, “dog I can deadlift 400 pounds do you think I’ll even feel the difference in my bag?” Gimme my ports back you assholes.
Why the hell didn’t they hire you on as a consultant for the laptop design team? Incredible lost opportunity, literally makes zero sense.
or that, you know a lithium ion ups would make that work really well
You have to use 90’s tech to keep it on theme, so it would have to be NiCad or lead acid
Shout-out to my college laptop, a hand-me-down CF-27 Toughbook with a handle. It was a beast and sturdy AF. I could check email, take notes , play nethack, and ssh into my desktop if I needed anything more intense.
Laptops already reached the maximum limit of a battery you can take on an airplane. 100 to 160 Wh batteries need airline approval before you can bring it onto the airplane and anything about 160Wh is forbidden. So yeah larger batteries are not gonna happen, until solid state batteries become the norm.
Or hear me out, sell one with a removable battery so I shove a fuck off big battery in that sonovabitch. I ain’t getting on a plane so let me jam a batter that could power the electrical system in my 2001 Tacoma for a week.
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So 99wh swappable is the sweet spot?
Alright then give me a laptop with an 50 array of 99 watt batteries.
So… Someone fancy building a portable desktop with built in screen and a battery?
Remember the old fashioned document cases from the 90’s? With the handle?
Perfection.
I sold a couple Dell XPS M2010 laptops in the late 2000s that had the handle and all that.
Look, this is Lemmy so I’m gonna downvoted to hell, but:
This is actually what the Macbook Pro does. After the USB-C-Only generation, they made them a bit thicker, added back some ports (though not as many as OOP seems to want) and you could bludgeon someone to death with one.
It’s pretty delicate though right? And it has macOS
Bout as delicate as most laptops. A bit more than a high end business laptop, but much less than a consumer one.
But yes, it’s got less freedom of choice than competitors. Linux is meh and Windows doesn’t exist anymore.
“Linux is meh”
Sounds like a you problem.
Have you been able to get it working properly on Apple Silicon? Because my Linux experience on it has been meh.
On my X86 computers it works great.
Ok It seems I’ve misread your train of thought initially. I thought you meant Linux in general is meh (and windows doesn’t exist anymore=> because well W11 sure ain’t windows as it used to be). My bad.
Ah yeah I wasn’t very clear. Yeah, I most definitely meant that in the context of Apple laptops, Linux is meh (in terms of actual usability) and Windows doesn’t exist.
Though to be fair - you’re right in that Windows doesn’t exist to me anymore outside of that ecosystem either. My gaming PC has been running Linux full time since around 2020 - Kubuntu for a few months, then Gentoo for about 3 years, then OpenSuse Tumbleweed for the last 1.5 years. Laptop right now is NixOS, since I sold my M1 Macbook Air and am running a Thinkpad for not-at-home development work till I can get my hands on an M5 Pro MBP or something. I do prefer to have access to both Linux and MacOS for some reason.
I’ve actually been on and off Linux since Karmic Koala, but it took till about 2020 to realize gaming has gotten so good with Proton that I don’t need a Windows install at all.
Then go buy one of those ruggedized, industrial behemoths that come with their own heavy duty transport case, rolling wheels, and Briggs & Stratton engine. ffs it’s not that difficult.
My thoughts exactly. If you don’t want a thin and lite, don’t get one. Just don’t expect a brand like apple to build thick and rugged macbooks. But there are definitely laptops out there that fit those specifications.
panasonic toughbook / let’s note
