• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    I mean. It’s good and all.

    But “most metal girl alliance ever”?

    That’s selling women short, groups of women have done a lot of metal shit both figuratively and literally.

    Set the bar where it deserves to be, normalize this type of stuff as basic human decency.

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      18 days ago

      It is time for me to air 1 of my grievances.

      I hate. Hate. Hate. When men are like “I can’t believe [awful thing] happened to that woman. I mean, I have a [daughter/sister/mother] at home.”

      Like what kind of awful person needs a female relative in order to empathize?

      In conclusion, those guys are like the least metal boy alliance ever.

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        18 days ago

        Children are taught at a certain stage in their life that there are starving kids in Africa, and that they mustn’t feel too much empathy for people who they don’t know. If a kid gets depressed over conditions in foreign countries, or develops climate change anxiety, or refuses to eat meat, they aren’t encouraged. They’re either sent to a mental health professional to have their empathy recalibrated, or the adults just hope their empathy blunts over time on its own.

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        18 days ago

        Why are you assuming that the female relative is a “need” in order to empathize and not just a way to feel closer to the problem? I think it’s fair that if you have deep connections with someone, their problems become your problems. It doesn’t mean you wouldn’t care about that if you didn’t have that connection.

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      18 days ago

      normalize this type of stuff as basic human decency

      When human communities were smaller, there was the idea that you’d “run out of town” people who broke the social contract - if you lived in a small town and were known as a cheat or a thief it was more likely that people would just stop dealing with you than having police show up. It’s hard to stay in a place if no-one will work with you, socialise with you or sell you stuff, so you’d typically move to another town and hopefully learn your lesson.

      This is obviously a double edged sword; it’s just as easy to end up excluded from society through no fault of your own, but there is definitely something to learn from this. You don’t owe space - physical or virtual - to people who aren’t going to use that space considerately. Society at large is too big to deal with problematic people this way anymore, but in your social circles or smaller groups you can absolutely tell people that if they aren’t going to play by the groups rules then they don’t get to play at all.

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      18 days ago

      Would it just be a metal alliance then?

      I thought it was rather punk rock myself.

      Edit: confused about the downvotes. How would you say this was very metal of them without adding the “girl” qualifier?

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      18 days ago

      I mean this is high school. She got on the squad and nobody knew she was trans? Did she just transfer there?

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        18 days ago

        My take was that she joined the squad when presenting male, and then came out later.

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          I feel like that’s probably the most likely scenario yeah. She might not have even known she was trans when she joined it. Getting closer to the other girls might have been the thing that helped her realize she didn’t want to just be part of the cheer squad she actually wanted to be one of the girls.

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            Yup. We have a librarian here that’s trans, and the only reason I know is because I have eyes (and they transitioned after getting the job). Oh, and we’re in a pretty conservative area, and I’ve never heard or seen anyone having any issues with her, though I’m sure it happens.

            Oh, and that librarian rocks. We couldn’t find one of our holds, and it turned out it was stuck in their book elevator thing which had broken down that day, and they went out of their way to fish our books out for us. It’s completely unrelated to her gender identity, I just thought that was really cool.

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            You underestimate the benefits of puberty blockers and hormone therapy on “passing”.

            Someone in high school that’s had access to puberty blockers before secondary sexual characteristics become prominent is already going to present fairly androgynous because that’s what puberty does, it extends sexual differentiation.

            If the person then also has access to hormonal treatment, they’ll be experiencing what is essentially the exact same development of secondary sexual characteristics as they would if their own body was producing them.

            Hormones aren’t going to grow reproductive organs that aren’t there, but when it comes to things like facial hair, hip and shoulder width, breast development, that’s going to be visually congruent with however the person would have progressed had they been born with the endocrine system that matches.

            Now, if a trans person progresses into puberty before having access to treatments, then you’ll have an ever increasing degree of body changes congruent with their assigned gender.

            So, no, them having eyes isn’t some kind of automatic trans detection system.

            Hell, some folks, they don’t have a ton of differentiation even once they’ve completed puberty, so you can have adults that start hormones without any other treatments end up “passing” without any visual cues.

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          18 days ago

          Because it’s a fucking school. It’s a kind of tight-knit group even if it’s a lot of people. People would notice some dude disappeared the same day a new girl started.

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            Lol that is not how it works. You don’t turn into a girl over night one day. You might be confused about what coming out as trans means. It doesn’t mean she transitioned, it just means she told people she is trans. She may have presented as a girl for a long time before that already

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        18 days ago

        She clearly got on the squad while presenting male. Male cheerleaders exist? “When she came out” was when the other girls on the squad made the pact.

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    They agreed to track those boys relentlessly, attend the same colleges, go to work for the same companies, join the same gyms, and badmouth them to every woman they came in contact with for the rest of their lives. The plan was all set until Rhonda frowned. “What’s wrong?” asked Kelly. The girls all clustered around. “Well,” said Rhonda, “I was just thinking… wouldn’t murder be simpler?”

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      But at that moment one of the other girls, Jaimie, piped up. "Hold up. Do we even need to do anything?", confusion plain on her face.  
      Rhonda thought for a moment, and replied "What do you mean?" 
      "It's just that any guy that would make fun of her would be trash to begin with, right?" Jaimie reasoned. 
       "Yes?" Rhinda replied, seeing where this was going. 
       "So, who would even like them as a friend?" 
       "Yeah, that makes sense!" One of the others said.
       "But they do *still* have friends." Rhonda put in. "Nobody's *actually* friendless, right?"
       "Yeah, I guess. But wouldn't their friends also be trash?" Jaimie questioned.
       "Yes, probably." Rhonda responded, not liking where this was going at all.
       "So, they would probably only date trash girls, but not even a trash girl wants a trash boyfriend." 
       "Uh-huh." Cam Rhonda's response, non-plussed. "But, what about wife beaters? They are trash, and they can still get girlfriends."
      This continued for a couple of days. In the end, the problem didn't show itself, because even dickheads cave to peer pressure and social norms in high school. It did come very close to happening when a freshmen misgendered the girl, but that had more to do with the restrictive policies the school has with regards to gender identity, and was swiftly resolved when the combined pressure of an entire cheersquads warning glares crashed down upon the hapless boy.