Don’t the understand that the US already gave China everything that it needs to thrive? All of their current political objectives can be accomplished without invading a dying empire. They don’t need to be the perfect trading partner, just better than the US/EU. They have developed their productive forces to be a high quality goods manufacturer.
The US and NATO also drove Russia straight into China’s arms for the foreseeable future, securing much of China’s raw materials via transit routes that are exceptionally hard to interdict either politically or militarily.
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I think that’s precisely where the panic comes from. Neocons are starting to realize that China is pulling ahead of the US economically, and it’s now a more important trading partner than US for majority of the world. US is frantically trying to find a way to derail China’s progress in any way possible.
This article feels extremely dogmatic to me. I fail to see how a renewed investment in the war effort in Ukraine doesn’t pose the same problem, stretching defence resources thin, that this think tank is fear mongering over. Hell, sending more weapons to Ukraine would likely be worse since many of them will likely go “missing” anyway and Ukraine doesn’t have enough men to arm with them.
Right, it’s not really clear what the argument here is even. To actually win in Ukraine would also require a phenomenal investment, and frankly it’s pretty clear that US doesn’t have a path to win in Ukraine regardless how much money it dumps into this war at this point. So, if US can’t win in Ukraine then the article is really just setting up the narrative that US now has to spend untold billions on its military going forward because US wants to have a war with China next.
If the US can’t win in Ukraine how will it ever win in Taiwan? China will mop the floor with it, specially if it continues to be distracted by God and oil in the Middle East. Evangelicals will drop everyone and keep propping up Israel until the US goes broke.
I don’t understand what they’re hoping for there either to be honest. Any adult with a functioning brain can see that starting shit with China would be an utter disaster for US.
If they turn the country into a war machine they give themselves a chance to reset the board like they did in the 40s. It is deeply ingrained in the US zeitgeist to think this way. It is both profitable for the MIC and synergizes with settler nightmares and our expectations of the US being the preiminent, sovereign, and morally legitimate civilization in the world. The benifit is as much spiritual as it is anything else but the material gains may be more than we think because the only way to bring back a golden age is to, as usual, make someone else pay for it. I hear it from people that don’t agree with the US government about much of anything that they are willing to participate in nationalism if it means the US keeps its place on top. We will likely have to find out just how anti imperialist US citizens really are and I assume there will be some disappointment.
Thing is that doing that would require massive government intervention, and that’s just not possible in the current political climate. Just look at how the whole CHIPS act is going, rebuilding domestic industry to support a MIC that could take on China would require an effort that’s orders of magnitude bigger than that. On top of that, there are demographic limitations here as well. You need an education system that can produce skilled workers, you need people who can operate factories, engineers, scientists, etc. It will literally take decades to create the workforce able to build the infrastructure necessary.
Almost as if the interests of the American people would be better served if America didn’t feel compelled to interject itself in every conflict in the world.
Yea the really easy answer to this is “don’t overcoming to ukraine and spread yourself too thin”
But I want America to fail so hopefully that really obvious answer remains an impossibility
“don’t overcoming to ukraine and spread yourself too thin”
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Pretty shitty to have to admit autocorrect punched up my comment.
All hail the robot overlords.
China pls invade, I’m begging you, I need trains and healthcare I don’t give a fuck anymore
Oh noooo ahahaha don’t do that your so sexy ahahahaha
If you read this title and thought “good”, you are my comrade
What do they mean “if”?
They’re still willing to nuke Ukraine to spite Russia.
So the “promoting debate” person is a bit right?
“If we stop funding Ukraine, Putin will take over the whole country!”
Yeah, that’s why the Russians are digging in and consolidating their gains instead of pushing forward. I guess they’re planning on walking through those fields they just mined to hell and back… also “muh Taiwan!”
Reading articles from the western liberal press is like stepping into an alternate dimension.
I mean, any army would do that regardless of whether they were going to push forward again or not. Being able to extend your base of logistics for an offensive is important. That they dug in isnt really an indication either way.
I suppose that’s true, but regardless I can’t help but feel that further offensives into Ukraine aren’t likely. My understanding is that Russia was able to pull off the annexation due to support from the annexed oblasts. Would they have that same advantage closer to Kiev? It doesn’t seem like it, at least to me.
I suppose the Russians might be planning on regime change, but if that’s the case, I don’t know what’s taking so long. If I were Putin, I would want to press the advantage after the failed counteroffensive. I suspect he isn’t because such a move would prolong the war by several years, and wouldn’t that be extremely unpopular? Not to mention a potential strategic blunder. What if it went badly?
I don’t have insight into what Putin is thinking, that’s just my read on the situation.
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like everything else. Usians unironically believe that simce the US is always invading (or “intervening”) other countries. They just assume its normal.
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Lib wandered in again I see
I went to check it out, didn’t read a single comment, but I upvoted every single one with lemme.ee on it
Let me guess, at least 100 of those are from the same one or two
’s. Normally we got like 15 comments on Yog’s posting.yeeeep lmao
The rainbow covering literally 80% of the screen on my phone is great, lmao
I think this is the worst one yet. Constantly contradicting themselves and fellating the boot of three letter agencies. Spineless pathetic coward of a person. I’ve never been a full on “America needs to be wiped from the face of the earth” kind of person, I always thought the people could be rehabilitated, but this POS has honestly pushed me over the line on that front. So smug, so condescending, so braindead, so proud of their government slaughtering their way around the world and starting proxy wars.
pushed me over the line on that front
Yes… let the hate flow through you!!! Death to America
I’m choosing to believe this dude is trolling just for the sake of my own sanity. There’s no way any real person is this reddit core (please)
I talked to this guy a few months ago when they were trying to talk about the Korean War defending democracy or some such. Idk what makes someone like this but my cope is that they are an incompetent fed.
Honestly never considered that but I like that cope. I sure wish I were paid to be painfully obtuse and intellectually dishonest on online message boards
They’re real??? They sound like ChatGPT and crank out empty responses just as fast. My cope is assuming its all automated.
They are sharing sources (that they clearly haven’t read themselves and don’t have anything to do with their argument) I think this is just pure redditor.
That plus the snide holier than thou replies related to programming or mindfulness or whatever are simply too much for me rn, haven’t experienced such a high dose of reddit in years
Yeah, not sure if it’s because we haven’t had one like this in a while, or if it is them actively defending the US and NATO in a place called “death to NATO” but the level of smug “Don’t worry champ, you’ll see things my way one day, promise” from this guy is just off the charts.
I try to figure out what their goal with something like this is. Dissect them a little. This person comes here and starts talking about how if you only look at the US’s official position on the books and ignore all their actions, they’re actually really great. And they think this is a convincing argument somehow. It’s bizarre. I have no idea if they just aren’t used to people who disagree with them or what, but it blows my mind that this is an actual human being commenting here, this is a person, with a brain, with the ability to reason, to think, to feel things, and they just don’t do any of that.
actively defending the US and NATO in a place called “death to NATO”
😂 They missed the brief lmao
Again threatening us with a good time, but unfortunately this is probably worth as much as the pile of manure western think tanks were feeding the world in Ukraine topic before.
So i read it and yup, the exact same manure and it’s still sprinkled with copium
It would give China the green light to flex its power over a weakened US and cost US taxpayers an “astronomical” sum to pay for beefed-up defense spending.
“Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean,”
That would mean that the US would be forced to deploy a “sizable portion” of its ground forces to Eastern Europe
Literally every paragraph is crybullying and saberratling. They really get paid heavy money for that regurgitated nonsense?
expand NATO to meet Russia’s borders
cry that the russian army is right up to NATO’s border
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Just like when they cried that the USSR put nukes in Cuba after the US already put nukes in Turkey, and a shit load of other countries right next to the USSR. But it’s the Russians that are aggressive and militaristic.
Thank you to my high school modern history teacher who was also the football coach for telling my about the Turkey nukes during the unit on the cold war, and also for showing us how to flick a coin like a tiny frisbee
It’s fine when we do it but not when they do it.
Western brain in action.
I’ve definitely known people like this
It would give China the green light to flex its power over a weakened US and cost US taxpayers an “astronomical” sum to pay for beefed-up defense spending.
So the excessive military spending by the US empire is China’s fault somehow.
Damn those scheming asiatics, DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!!
It’s not that complex. Yeah we can fight. No, it wouldn’t be good for us if we do.
“Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean,”
Wasn’t that exactly what they promised Ukraine lol?
What I love the most about these articles is how they just treat the idea that US needs to dominate the world militarily as being axiomatic. It’s never explained why this is in the interest of American people, it’s just a given that US will have to keep expanding the military at the cost of the standard of living of its people because reasons.
Imperialism is non-negotiable.
I’ve experienced some violence in my life, and I consider the fact that I need to be ready to protect myself to be axiomatic too. I honestly can’t remember why I didn’t think that way before, but I know that ever since being terrified as someone tried to kill me, nothing is okay unless I’m safe. The fact that I need to maintain the capacity for violence and the capacity to win that violence is just built into me now. Like needing to breathe.
There is no universe in which the US is the victim
Except, the difference with your analogy is that US is not a victim of violence, it’s the country that goes around the world to invade and brutalize other countries. It’s a country equivalent of a sadistic serial killer.
It’s simple, if the US stopped, the empire would fall, and then the evil China takes over. Silly tankie.
“Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean,”
I wonder if not expanding the de facto NATO-Russia border might have prevented the expansion of the NATO-Russia border 🤔
“China could invade another country”
Either they’re clueless about the fact that a PRC ROC war would be a civil war according to international law, or they’re trying to act like China is going to invade… idk, India? Vietnam? Singapore? Makes zero sense
The US doesn’t acknowledge international law. We only acknowledge the Rules Based International Order, i.e. unilateral imperial decree
China is going to invade Earth.
Watch out.
Oh my god that’s where I am
I don’t think making sense is the goal of that article.
