Cleaning worker who mistakenly went to wrong home fatally shot: Police
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The shooting victim died from a gunshot wound to the head, the coroner's office said.
  • SupraMario@lemmy.world
    942·
    1 year ago

    This is straight up murder. You don’t shoot some at your door, if it’s locked and they’re not trying to force their way in…then the lock will do its fucking job.

        • higgsboson@piefed.socialEnglish
          24·
          1 year ago

          Thanks. I was merely recalling my experiences as a contractor.

          As I stated elsewhere in this thread, it appears this was at least manslaughter if not outright murder. Discharging a gun into an opaque door should not qualify as self-defense unless the (alleged) assailants were damned well shooting first.

          From the available facts, it was not a clean shoot by any stretch. Im not familiar enough with Indiana law to know how that would play out though.

      • SupraMario@lemmy.world
        15·
        1 year ago

        No clue why you’re getting downvoted, but yea shit like that happens, doesn’t mean you get to off someone.

        And this is coming from a huge pro2a supporter. This was murder.

    • pikl@lemmy.world
      481·
      1 year ago

      Shot through the front door in the face because she tried the doorknob

      • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        Shot through the front door in the face because she tried the doorknob

        Shot through the front door in the face because she was not white and tried the doorknob.

        The poor lady killed was Maria Florinda Rios Perez, and she died in the arms of her husband whom was part of the same cleaning crew. She leaves behind four kids including an 11month old.

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
      16·
      1 year ago

      I always used the stairs as the point of no return for a potential intruder in my home. If you come up the stairs, then you’ve made the choice to risk your life. If you’re downstairs, I’m letting you know I’m awake and giving you an opportunity to bounce. You’ve already been on camera at that point, and perhaps I take the opportunity to tighten up the security on my home. I’d rather not kill someone, regardless of the fact they broke into my home. But yeah, if you come up the stairs, that’s that.

      I feel for all ranch and bi/split-level homeowners. Tough choices must be made.

    • higgsboson@piefed.socialEnglish
      141·
      1 year ago

      Pulling the trigger without identifying the target; even had they identified, it probably would not qualify as self defense under law…

      I am not well versed in Illinois law, but it does have a “castle doctrine”:

      In Illinois, the criteria for using force under the Castle Doctrine are outlined in the Illinois Compiled Statutes, specifically 720 ILCS 5/7-1 and 720 ILCS 5/7-2.

      These statutes detail when force is legally justified in defense of a dwelling. Force is permitted when an individual reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent or stop an unlawful entry or attack on their home. The term “reasonably believes” requires that the perceived threat be justifiable to an average person in similar circumstances.

      Deadly force has stricter criteria. It is allowed only if one reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or to stop a forcible felony like burglary, robbery, or assault. The law distinguishes between minor trespasses and significant threats to life or safety.

      (emphasis added)

      https://legalclarity.org/illinois-castle-doctrine-laws-criteria-and-legal-implications/

      • Manjushri@piefed.socialEnglish
        18·
        1 year ago

        Illinois law does not apply in Indiana where this incident took place. Indiana has a pretty robust stand your ground law.

        Indiana’s stand-your-ground law provides that a person (1) is justified in using deadly force against someone (including a law enforcement officer) and (2) has no duty to retreat if the person has a reasonable belief that force is required in order to prevent any of the following:

        • Serious bodily injury to the defendant or a third person;

        • The commission of a forcible felony (one that involves the threat of force or involves risk of bodily injury);

        • The unlawful entry of the defendant’s home or curtilage (the area around their home) or their (occupied) vehicle;

        • Trespass or unlawful interference with property in the lawful possession of the defendant, a member of their immediate family, or a person whose property the defendant is authorized to protect (i.e., an employer protecting their employees); or

        • The hijacking (or threat of hijacking) of an airplane on the ground in Indiana or Indiana airspace.

        So the homeowner has to show that they reasonably believed deadly force was needed to stop this woman and her husband from entering their home. That’s it. That’s all they need to prove to use this defense.

        I for one do not for a moment think that it was justified, but in a town named Whitestown, who can say what the police and prosecutors will conclude?

        • rhombus@sh.itjust.works
          10·
          1 year ago

          who can say what the police and prosecutors will conclude?

          Prosecutorial discretion is the real issue in most of these cases. If it were brought before a jury it could easily be argued that they tried literally nothing else before killing this person, so how could they reasonably believe anything? But it may never get to a jury because the DA might be a racist dirtbag who just decides to never press any charges.

    • Taldan@lemmy.world
      12·
      1 year ago

      I feel like I’m the only one, but if someone is trying to rob me, I’d rather let them than kill someone. A bunch of stuff isn’t worth living with the guilt of killing someone for the rest of my life. Especially because of the odds of accidentally shooting someone innocent

      Pretty sure I’m alone on this one though

    • AA5B@lemmy.world
      61·
      1 year ago

      I’m a big fan of the “answer the door and politely ask: can i help you’” approach.

      Or if I’m feeling particularly antisocial, the “use the intercom feature on my video doorbell and politely ask: can i help you” approach

  • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    42·
    1 year ago

    The Boone County Prosecutor’s Office told WRTV on Thursday that they are still determining whether the shooter will face any charges, the station reported.

    I live in Indiana and if no charges get filed on this, and there isn’t a conviction then I can’t wait for the next election cycle when politicians start knocking on doors.

    • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
      81·
      1 year ago

      Speaking from lived experience Boone county is a predominantly conservative county. This article won’t even register for most people that currently live there. The fact that news regarding a two-stoplight town twice in the same hour got posted to lemmy is kind of amazing.

  • Zephorah@discuss.online
    36·
    1 year ago

    It happened in Whitestown Indiana and it’s not an onion article.

    I’m a gun owner. This behavior is both abhorrent and ridiculous. There has to be some level of mental health deficit in the shooter.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
    332·
    1 year ago

    Let me guess: The cleaning worker as a Mexican has brown skin, the shooter is white. So, in the US, this is a clear case of self defense. /s