Pro-life website. The article is probably not worth reading lmao.
EUTHANASIA / ASS SUICIDE
Their proofreading skills check out.
Should be EUTHANASSIA in that case, right?
Thanks. Obvious rage bait.
Doesn’t sound very “pro-life” to me. But then their self-identification was always a severe misnomer.
You first, buddy
Oh yes! Anything but immigration!
But seriously, I feel like this is the broad sentiment of Japanese and the non-Japanese alike. Anti- immigration right applaud Japan for “keeping their country theirs” (as if ethnic Japanese aren’t the ones who came later and displaced the local Ainus already living there), and not going on supposed national suicide, unlike the West. Not having enough babies is tantamount to suicide anyway. The narrative then becomes: either allow immigration and go on national and cultural suicide; or don’t allow immigration and not have enough babies, which is still considered national suicide. Either way is committing national suicide.
I am not naive to think that immigration has no baggage; but at the same time, if countries want to increase birth rate, then increase the wages and standard of living for young people and families to encourage more people to marry and raise families. However, the elites aren’t going to do the former because they don’t want to disappoint their shareholders. If they don’t want to do that, then allow more immigration, which they also don’t want to do.
Orrrr (and this applies to most western countries in the near future too) they could maybe kinda consider not creating conditions in which its fucking impossible to have kids?
As someone in a western country now inconceivable! Heck we still have a good portion of Americans who complain about the living standards but will stay home in November or actively vote for things like deporting immigrants like that magically fixes the over arching problem
56 is the median age for home buyers in 2025 and it’s been this way for a very long time.
We’re as doomed as Japan honestly we just happen to encourage immigration lol. So I agree with you.
Look at the median age of first-time homebuyers, it’s less skewed. Many people make more than one home purchase in a lifetime, including whan they buy smaller places when they’re old in order to downsize, or when they buy into a retirement community.
The median age of first-time home buyers is 35, according to this: https://www.financialsamurai.com/the-median-homebuyer-age-is-now-so-old/
National Association of Realtors gives a slightly higher number.
The problem is already well underway in the west. Some potential growth has already been squandered, acting now is an emergency.
“Squandered” is carrying lots of baggage there, in particular the assumptions that population growth is a good thing, that it’s sustainable, and that the average person will be better off in a positive-growth scenario. None of those are proven. And the assumption that population reduction is bad is often because measures such as GDP (which is approximately proportional to population) drops if population does. But aggregate GDP is not the appropriate measure in such a case.
For a lot of people, delaying to settle down and have family is a choice (like for myself), but you are right that conditions are being created to dis-incentivise raising a family.
I think South Korea could provide a model to encourage more birth rate. They created a new administrative capital city where it is more family oriented. The result? Explosion in birth rate. In the following years, other places replicated the model and South Korea as a whole experienced more birth this year for the first time in nine years.
Yeah, plus consider how many people already learn Japanese as it’s considered to be a sexy language in many countries
I completely sympathize with the Japanese view about immigration. Their society has a lot going for it which is held up by the culture. And diversity would lead to a tragedy of the commons in many cases, like keeping public spaces clean.
However, sacrificing your elders is not exactly Japan’s culture either.
The “tragedy of the commons” was an economic thought experiment involving unmanged commons. Learn the history of how commons were actually managed through history and you’ll draw a different conclusion.
Also, don’t let the rich expropriate the commons like they did in the UK in the late 17th and all the 18th centuries. That causes all kinds of social problems, including mass (sometimes coerced) emigration.
I do understand that the words “tragedy of the commons” are not some magic spell that causes any shared resource to become degraded, perforce, always. I am familiar with the origin of the phrase and how it is used/misused.
I use it only in situations where I do believe that the shared resource would be spoiled, and not simply by virtue of its being shared.
The public cleanliness in Japan would be seriously degraded and there would be significant resentment over it. Even conscientious Japanese would stop trying. It would be an actual tragedy of the commons, not just a nominal tragedy of the commons.
He might have to talk about this with his universities ethics commission…
Aren’t we all committing mass suicide already tho? I mean, have you looked at earth lately? I mean I want to kill myself as much as the next person, maybe more, but if we are ranking demographics that should go first, my vote is for the rich not just the elderly
It’s more of a murder/suicide
Yes you are right. I think there is a bell curve of murder culpability that starts at jeff bezo’s wedding and ends at children starving to death. No that’s wrong bell curves measure the mean and that would just be the working class. Idk what I’m trying to describe. Jeff bezos should volunteer to lead the first human expedition to set foot on the sun. There makes sense now
Aren’t we all committing mass suicide already tho?
Your comment made me so sad that we kinda are in a more capitalist way.
We’re withholding meds from old people by taking away their health insurance, not giving them any income, and pushing them into the street.
In the US, Social Security benefits is from $553-$943.
Boy we are so fucked.
In the US, Social Security benefits is from $553-$943.
Nope. The max is more like $3600 a month.
Source: I get Social Security and I’m paid about that amount. I was over max Social Security income for all the years I needed to quality.
I’m people, I’m social security, I’ll lose medicaid, I’ll lose snap, I’ll lose Medicare with the ai auto denials, maybe I’ll street, not for long though.
In the grande scheme of things, philosophically speaking, maybe.
Well that works for me. The life of the mind is all I have anyway.
That’s one of the funniest lines I’ve heard today ty
You’re welcome, I was surprised to see I’d written it. Could use polish, but you can never go home again I suppose
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proof provided in your continued posting on lemmy
Oh that’s just to ameliorate the insanity; I’m fully resigned to the inevitability of my death and factual nature of my contribution, however minor it may be, to our collective demise
Does he see the same solution for old people everywhere, or just Japan? Seems like anyone can become a professor nowadays. There used to be standards, dammit!
it’s a lot less controversial when phrased as euthanasia should be an option as a part of palliative care …
Remember ‘dinosaurs’ by Jim henson. Yeet grandma in the swap
Being generous to him, few places have such a stereotype of people being willing to take his advice as Japan. By which I mean, for 90% of the world, stating his opinion is even more pointless.
On The Other Hand, maybe he just wanted to try to get people to do it for his own gratification, and picked the most vulnerable targets he could think of.
I don’t speak Japanese, but if you follow the link to the video it starts about 18 minutes into the 20 minutes video. The professor says something and then everyone laughs.
I think we should all have dots in our hands and when it glows at the age of 30 we enter the Carousel to be renewed.
Renew! Renew!
And he’s not even a professor of medicine or pathology, this talking authoritatively about things outside your field is really getting out of hand /s
What a radical thing to say.
I think old people in the US should do this too. I actually think it would have a net positive impact.
Kind of sad death with dignity is not allowed in most places. I really dont want to be a walking corpse like my great grand parents were with Parkinson and/or alzheimers. Ill take hard drugs please. I get its hard to say goodbye to love ones but I saw them as already dead wasting away.
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These people should sacrifice themselves in service of an economic system’s growth I.operative.
Capitalism is the atheists religion.
Typos ignored, only one in six is able to accept this fact. America has a way to fall.
“Since 2008”
Australian dude used a home-made robot to kill himself in 2008
https://www.wired.com/2008/03/australian-man/
9 years late on a corporate model
“For an extra quarter, would you like to have your eyes scooped out by a melon baller?”
I would very much love to have the choice.
You already do.
But if you think suicide is a desirable choice, call a helpline. In all but some rare cases, your problem is disordered thinking.
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Actual Japanese here, even within the dark humor context, I wholeheartedly agree with Yusuke Narita.
It’s precisely the gerontocracy in Japan why the nation is heading extremely far right. The aging oppressive population needs to retire, vacate, and leave the younger generation capable of making their choices. We are the lowest GDP first nation because of elders oppressing.
I’m glad Yusukeさん is in the 🇺🇲, but I’m afraid he’ll be deathcamped soon.
I’m thankful 28 folks read the article correctly. Fuck oppression.
Thanks for the added opinion and context.
When I read he actually used the word “seppuku”, I immediately knew that it wasn’t just suicide he was talking about. He’s also saying that the oldest generation needs to admit they screwed everything up beyond repair, and answer for it.
People tend to conservadorism as they age, due to cognitive decline and loss of plasticity of the brain. It’s a global phenomenon and usually make them make bad decisions in regards to what’s best for the public or public interest.
That’s why I think there must be age limit to occupy public lidership roles.
What on Earth is with the links.
A link to a Lemmy micro-opinion, a link to a Sega video, and a link to some random article.
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The links have other links to sources, so nested sources.
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The Sega video has citations on how our economy got dwindled by greedy kusojijii forcing us to work for longer hours and years than they ever did. I’m too overworked to find you an encapsulating video essay on how spiralled to death our economy got fucked over by our boomers. Koreans have nothing on how fascistic our society already is.
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Yusuke Narita lives in 🇺🇲. The article references folks ICE has abducted that maybe legal Japanese-US citizens, on their way to whichever deathcamp Trump sent these workers to.
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It’s precisely the gerontocracy in Japan why the nation is heading extremely far right.
Is it 参政党 and their ilk were mostly voted for by the younger crowds whereas the olds stayed with the LDP, at least from the exit polling I saw. I mean, for me personally, the LDP is too far right, but Sanseitou is definitely a lot further off. Some older also split to the DPFTP to show disappointment, but I’m less clear on those numbers.
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