I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the trans agenda.
That level of censorship does not help their cause; it actively hinders it because regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter. Either they succumb to the hysteria, or they’re ousted.
I tried asking this in the other asklemmy community. A lot of people supportive of the trans agenda kept saying to elaborate and that the thread would not be removed.
Well, they were wrong. The thread was censored after all. Looks like even asking about places that allow criticism of transgenderism is not allowed.
Before we know it, transpeople are going to be implementing blasphemy laws 🤣
Wow,
You are actively choosing to be an awful person
I’d say that you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you have that level of self-awareness or empathy
“How dare anyone be critical of transgenderism? Those blasphemers must be punished!”
This isn’t how science works. It’s how religion works.
You don’t even understand how quotes work. How are we to expect you have the mental capacity to understand even the basest level of science. Especially when you keep parroting a viewpoint that is overwhelmingly opposed by scientific evidence 😂 You being an idiot isn’t the rest of the worlds problem so either grow as a person or go back to your hole troll.
Yeah, you’re too far gone.
Honestly needed a good laugh today. Thanks 😂
You’re going to die alone and lonely
Sorry I criticized your religion.
Not sorry that you’ll die alone and unloved.
Transgenderism
Get help, maybe the wife will call again.
What’s wrong with the word transgenderism?
The worthless shitstreaks that use it.
Can you define it in your own words?
Nazi punks can fuck off, get out of here bigot, go post on truthsocial.
Nazi shit is welcome on most social media. Not on lemmy.
Pick one of the others and go be a bigot there.
Well, at least you picked an appropriate username.
What I really don’t get is the absolute fucking hubris that pricks like you have that you think you know what’s going on in someone’s brain better than they do. Despite the mountains of evidence that gender isn’t a binary (including first-hand accounts of millions of people), y’all are like: “yeah, I don’t see it.”
The absolute fucking gall to believe that your narrow-ass view of the world is the correct one really gasts my flabbers.
But to actually answer your question: yes. There are places that will allow you to “criticize transgenderism”. Most of those are instances run by nazis. You are welcome and encouraged to leave this place and seek those others where people who enshrine your worldview hold court. Do, please, try to avoid letting the door hit you on the way out. We’d rather not have to disinfect it.
Arseholes like this think they’re clever
This worthless little bigot is trying all the bullshit that I’ve seen too many times before
Specifically not actually making any criticisms, so they can say “I haven’t said anything mean”
Posing their bigotry as a question so they can claim to be “just looking for answers/a respectful conversation/debate”
Dog-whistle language (“transgenderism”, like there are crowds of people marching in the streets demanding that people become transgender…)
They’re boring and tiresome, but no less offensive and harmful for that
So far they haven’t really played the faux “concern for women” card
“Trans agenda”.
You are a bright one.
At least they’re honest with themselves with the username. This is a troll account that’s been making the rounds around various instances trying to stir the pot.
I’m sure we’re all reporting this waste of oxygen to the mods
I can’t imagine waking up every day and choosing such ignorance
I expected this post to be removed in 10 minutes, but I’m glad it wasn’t. I’ve had a pretty shit day and laughing at them has greatly improved my spirits.
That being said though, this goes well beyond ignorance. Bigotry, willful or not, can’t be informed away.
I’m happy to beat it out of bigots
I know that I won’t change their mind. I don’t care about changing their minds
I’ll settle for changing their behaviour
If they’re out in public, and the only thing keeping them from behaving like arseholes is fear, then I’ll settle for their fear
That’s all well and good if we’re talking about things happening at a small town watering hole, but really doesn’t work in the context of online spaces. We’ve already given them exactly what they wanted by posting, attention. There’s a reason the saying is to not feed the troll.
You’re not going to I still fear or change minds under the veil of anonymity. They won’t learn until they face the consequences of their actions and words in real life, whether that’s being excluded from opportunities(but more than likely they’ll double down on their bigotry in this case) or being forcefully disillusioned(like meeting an actual trans person).
I kind of agree. I’m getting victim-complex vibes off this OP, and unfortunately places like this allow them to safely indulge.
Yep,
Anonymity is a double-edged sword
Go back to 4Chan, you aren’t welcome here.
Yeah, I love how Lemmy shuts this shit down instantly. I’ve found my people.
Calling it an “agenda” and “hysteria” is not part of a critical conversation.
Yes it is.
You just don’t like it because it’s critical of what you like.
I don’t expect more from you.
Yawn. This kind of comment is so boring. Like 2016 boring. At least be entertaining in your hatred of others and being confidently incorrect.
1 out of 5
It isn’t, there is no constructive thought or argument behind it.
I don’t expect more from you.
Then why are you here?
Take your transphobia elsewhere, you aren’t welcome on Lemmy.
That’s not how the fediverse works.
It is when you get banned everywhere you go. But yeah, you’re definitely not the problem. Definitely.
The group is always correct.
Most instances won’t welcome you, and those that do can get defederated. The vast majority of people on Lemmy is sane, so you won’t be accepted.
That’s fine.
It would be nice to have a section of the fediverse that allows free speech.
How come all the “free speech” dumbasses like you don’t know or understand the legal definition of freedom of speech?
In the spirit of free speech, I think all transphobic people should get the Stonetoss Superman treatment.
Free speech doesn’t mean free of consequences for being disliked by the majority.
Right.
Nobody said anything about being liked. This is about censorship.
You might want to brush up on your reading comprehension.
I think you might want to brush up on what actually constitutes censorship and not someone kicking you out of their own house/place of business because they don’t want you there.
Yeah, you don’t know what censorship means or you’re just being willfully ignorant.
Take your transphobic bigoted views elsewhere. You are not “regular people” for hating another group, you are a bigot. Trans people have not harmed you in any way, but constant online harassment from “regular people” such as yourself has caused trans people an unbelievable amount of hardship. Leave them alone, live your own life, and let them live theirs.
Why are you so afraid of people criticizing transgenderism?
If there was scientific evidence to support it, then that science should be open to scrutiny. Otherwise it’s just a belief system akin to a religion.
Are you trying to control what people believe?
Before we know it, transpeople are going to be implementing blasphemy laws 🤣
It’s sad watching you people take a page out of your abuser’s playbooks, but I don’t expect more. Just because someone is trans doesn’t mean they’re a good person and most of you are average.
There is very clear scientific support for transgender people having a real experience that is not a mental illness, a personal belief or a choice.
I’ll give you a starting point, it is a quick one and there are some Inaccuracies that he corrects in later videos, but for the most part this explains why it is a real and scientifically proven fact.
Why are you so deadset on criticizing trans people? You’re actively in search of spaces online specifically to criticize trans people, to the point of now making multiple posts about it. Is that not odd to you? Chasing down an online space just to hate a group of people? That’s weird behavior. You’re weird, dude.
Why are you so deadset on criticizing trans people?
Lol, do you ask this about everyone who criticizes anything?
Be honest. You don’t care about the answer to that question; only the censorship.
Why are you so afraid of people criticizing transgenderism?
You still didn’t answer this.
I probably shouldn’t feed the trolls, but it isn’t an “ism”, transgenderism isn’t a word. I’m not sure what there is to debate, transgender people are just people. Not angels, not demons, they are just people.
I grew up hanging out with drag queens and gay people and am the straightest woman I know. There is no agenda. They are literally just people.
Holy crap, I read the whole thread and you don’t even have a criticism, just attacks. Which makes sense I guess.
What is there to criticize about transgenderism?
Lol.
See - it’s clear you aren’t actually wanting to “criticize transgenderism.” If you were, you’d be offering whatever a “critique” of “transgenderism” is.
Go back to X.
With the charged language and dog whistles I see in your post here (and even more in your post history), I’m going to assume no. Bigotry isn’t a good look.
If you want to have a real discussion about transgenderism first, stop with the charged language and dog whistles, it makes you look like an insincere bigot. Second, I’d suggest the same thing that every oppressed group has said. Listen to the marginalized people, their struggles, their life. Read the articles they share with eachother. Read the books they share. Read the science they share. Then, if you have questions, ask for clarification.
Don’t feed the troll. Block him.
This isn’t trolling, but everyone is free to block me.
That’s what the feature is there for.
It’s frustrating sometimes
It’s so hard to punch them in the mouth over the internet like they deserve.
I didn’t comment in that thread, but did read it. It looked like you got a few helpful responses (none of which recommended this community) before the mods stepped in. Maybe you spent too much time arguing with other commenters. Maybe your deleted comments in other recent threads about divorce and Jews persuaded the mods that you weren’t acting in good faith. Not sure if you’ll do any better in this even less appropriate forum, but good luck.
Nah, I wasn’t arguing with anyone when it was removed.
The mods just waited for enough people to dogpile and say “you’re not being censored here!” before censoring it.
Weird watching you people try and have it both ways.
“We can talk here, you won’t be censored!”
gets censored
“It was your fault for being censored!”
Lol, this is why we need places that allow criticism of transgenderism. Ya’ll are so far gone because you have no exposure to anyone who challenges your views.
You’re really not making any cogent point and I don’t think you understand what censorship is to be honest. You’re free to say whatever you’d like, nobody is entitled to platform you and you accept the consequences for what you say. You’re literally coming into a designated space with explicit rules against bigotry and trying to make yourself out to be the victim.
Right.
I’m looking for places that will allow criticism of transgenderism.
I’m not saying places that don’t allow it should change their rules.
I said in the original post that I would be surprised if it didn’t get censored, which it did.
At least 10 people told me that we could have a discussion there because it wouldn’t be censored. They said it, not me.
You should improve your reading comprehension because this had to be spelled out for you.
I’m looking for places that will allow criticism of transgenderism.
Your bigotry is not welcome here. Have you tried going to hell?
Good faith discussions are allowed pretty much everywhere, but I wonder why you keep getting “censored” because of all your obviously good faith arguments 🤔 It’s probably my reading comprehension that keeps repressing you I guess.
Good faith discussions are allowed pretty much everywher
If only that were the case.
Well, they were wrong. The thread was censored after all.
I did answer on that thread:
Probably. For Lemmy instances, read the community rules in the sidebar and instance rules on the instance (in the sidebar when viewing the top-level page).
You could also start your own community on some instance that doesn’t take issue with it, or even start your own instance if you’re willing to set up and run one.
EDIT: Now you kind of made me curious, and I thought that I’d skim some instances running 0.19.11 (an up-to-date version, so are presumably reasonably maintained). Part of the problem is that there are probably a number of things that instances might (and often do) prohibit, and what an admin might consider objectionable probably ranges from party to party. Like, say you said that you wanted to have a good-faith discussion on the impact of transexuality, weren’t going to criticize any individuals involved, and were going to be polite. That might pass muster with some places that have comparatively-restrictive rules…but hard to know in advance.
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Some straight-up have an explicit prohibition on transphobia.
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Some prohibit harassment.
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Some prohibit being “unkind” or similar.
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Some ask a user to be “respectful”. What that entails probably differs from person to person in interpretation.
Might ask an admin in advance.
Going through a couple of general-use instances, some that I would guess, from the rules text, probably are going to be on the more-permissive side:
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lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org says that they specifically take issue with censorship on many instances. They say that they do have some rules, but nothing on their rules page seems to prohibit criticism of transexuality.
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discuss.online has a “be nice”-type set of guidelines.
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real.lemmy.fan has no explicit prohibition other than on harassment and asks users to be kind.
That being said, if you think that you’re gonna say something that might raise hackles, maybe ask the admin(s) there to clarify whether it’s something that they’d take issue with.
Have you had an opportunity to look at the suggestions I had?
No, because they don’t geniunely want to discuss anything, they just want to be obnoxious and raise everyone’s heckles.
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