And no one is going to do a damn thing about this because the US is not a nation of laws anymore.

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      yeeh, my first though was “ooh, that’s gonna command a few marches…” fuck

      edit - i should be productive and not just cynical. who’s arranging the president’s birthday concert? do we have springstein? vedder? come on y’all

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      Well there will be court cases that will drag on for months which he will whine persistently. So not exactly nothing, just more whining.

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      I’m over these headlines. The Supreme Court said he has presidential immunity. The law doesn’t apply.

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        They said he has immunity for official duties. This article is about him using the presidential seal for non-official duties. I don’t think anything is going to happen still, but even the insane SC ruling doesn’t give him immunity for this.

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            KKKaroline in one of her recent briefings said that basically he’s doing this in his personal time, and is unrelated to his presidency. They can probably use that 🤷 not that they will though

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            Sure, but this is about him using the seal in a non-official capacity. Either it’s legal because it’s an official duty, in which case he doesn’t need immunity, or it’s illegal because it isn’t an official duty, in which case he isn’t immune.

            Again, nothings going to happen with this regardless. I’m just stating what’s going on.

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              Sure, but this is about him using the seal in a non-official capacity.

              Why cant he say that he was speaking officially as the president of the US? He was discussing economics. He wasn’t talking about his meme coin.

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                As I said, he can, in which case it’s legal. Normally a president would have to argue that, but we’re well past that point.

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          He’ll just say something like he was using it to build relationships with the leaders of other countries or some ridiculous bullshit. Unfortunately “official” while obvious to us may be more ambiguous to the law.

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        At this point it’s basically just propaganda to give the illusion that something is being done.

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        And you’re just going to comply with that?

        I for one would still want to call out whats being done, to make a record for future generations if nothing else.

        Are you really such a good little soldier that the supreme court makes a bad decision and you immediately reorient your entire moral framework to match?

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          Lemmy loves the defeatist, resigned, comply in advance mentality. It pretty uniformly gets voted to the top.

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              A person raising their voice is doing more than a person who chooses to stay silent. Why would you direct your anger at the former rather than the latter?

              This idea that anyone “not doing enough” needs to shut up and sit down is exactly the kind of toxic bullshit that fascists want you to consume. They want you to feel that everything has to either be some huge world changing gesture, or it’s just not worth it. Life isn’t like that. Real resistance isn’t about blowing up the Death Star, it’s about thousands, millions of tiny acts of defiance that build upon each other. Every time someone says “this is wrong” someone else is inspired to agree. Every time someone shows up to a protest, someone else is inspired to show up the next time. You don’t change regimes in a day, and you don’t build movements out of nothing. They accumulate, millions of tiny choices gathering together into a vast whole.

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          What do you mean by am I just going to comply? What does that even mean? What am I supposed to do? Trump is the one not complying along with the Supreme Court and Congress. None of these groups are doing their job. This has happened over and over and over again and still half the country is either cheering it on or clearly ok with it. The other half either don’t care or have been neutered. America democratically voted for this. Don’t blame me for not being emotional enough in a comment.

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            Resistance starts in the mind. Fascists want you to think the way you’re thinking, because if you can’t even get to the point of giving a shit about what they’re doing, you’ll never ever get to the point of actually doing something about it.

            Refusing to comply really can be as simple as just choosing to call out their evil, every single time. It’s a starting point. It’s easy and trite to say that big trees grow from small acorns, but much harder to really understand what that means, to take into your heart the idea that every single word or act of defiance matters, that enough drops really do make an ocean.

            I’m not asking you to plan a revolution. I’m just asking you to give a shit. Because the people telling you to stop giving a shit are the ones who want to do terrible things to your country, and they need your passivity in order to succeed.

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        He has immunity for “Official” presidential acts. Establishing/ promoting a private business concern is NOT an official presidential act.

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    Just so you don’t have to read through the article to find out which law he broke this time: he used the presidential seal while he spoke at a private, for-profit event.

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      Oh, yeah, of EVERYTHING he’s done, this is the thing that will finally land him in prison.

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        I mean, al capone was brought down due to some tax issue. Sometimes they gotta get a really good grip on a small thread and just keep pulling

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          2 very good lawyers had Donald dead to rights on election fraud and stealing government documents, and they both gave up when they realized the law doesn’t apply to him. There is no legal thread to keep a grip on that will ever make any difference.

          Nobody seemed to care when the supreme court gave us kings again. This is what it looks like.

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          al capone was brought down due to some tax issue.

          …and a government organization with the will to do what’s right and pursue justice. Do you expect to see that from the people Republicans and Trump put in place??

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    Yeah. He breaks laws multiple times a day.

    We live in an authoritarian fascist state now.

    NOT hyperbole.

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    Now, watch as literally nothing at all is done about it, just like his last blatant and obvious felony and just like his next one.

    We suck.

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        I don’t see how that’s relevant, and if anything that is a very rude question of you to ask. I’d suggest you gather your couth and think before asking such inane and, frankly, very stupid and insulting questions, which my username has already answered had you bothered to read it, in the future.

        Good day.

        Edit: I apologize, I read that backwards. No, of course not, I’m just a regular human in my normal human skin keeping my sweet tasty meats contained inside my body, and I have regular non-serrated teeth that don’t grow back when I lose them attacking seals and such, just like the rest of you. Nothing to see here.

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          No it’s fine, the Internet doesn’t convey tone so you didn’t reslise I am merely a fascinated biologist. Thank you for explaining about your non serrated teeth that definitely don’t grow back Mr Man. Have a human day!

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      No thanks on the nationalist “we”. Cultspeak.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

      Frank first uses a singular personal pronoun (“I”), but then quickly corrects to the plural personal pronoun “we.” Why? Because when you’re leading a cult, you need to imply family, collectiveness, exclusivity at each moment. Frank’s consistently creates an “us versus them” scenario. Although it’s unclear who “they” are, that hardly matters to his followers. They are much too busy “looking harder” (at what?) “digging deeper” (to where?) and “mining that pure, unbridled potential (of what?)” - https://www.whatmakesgreatwriting.com/p/dont-worry-darling

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        We are a collective society, that’s an objective fact, dipshit, you don’t have the option to not be a part of a demographic, learn what context is and how to apply it.

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    Lmao… let’s start counting the laws he hasn’t broken. I’m so done with trying to care about each instance of him breaking the law. He’s unfit for office, has been impeached twice, and he deserves only jail for as long as his miserable heart will last.

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    The president has immunity while being in office, was the supreme court ruling right?

    And if this doesn’t count under the immunity, he just replaces judges and claims he lost faith in the justice system and abolishes and restructures it, just as Hitler did. He already ignored several other judge rulings.

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        You think there will be one? Seeing how things are going now, there’s barely a democracy left. I’m expecting elections like Russia had, at best. Trump is following the footsteps of Hitler. Literally. Tariffs, attacking journalists and judges, spreading hate towards minorities, using fake news as a weapon, replacing key positions with yes-men, deporting people to concentration camps, etc. You might hope for a Democrat as president, but I think that ship has sailed man.

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          People still tell me “at least it’s only four years” and I can’t believe their ignorance

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      Start attacking his supporters instead. Bring them up on charges for being complicit in his crimes. He may have immunity, but his enablers don’t. Make everyone scared to keep supporting him until their only choice is to vote in favor of ousting him.

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        Or, Trump will just protect them all. Like he pardoned the Jan6 rioters. He already barred judges who went after friends of his.

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          So let him. Keep doing it over and over until the message gets through. You just sound defeatist.