Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
The nine-person jury began deliberations in federal court in New York at 1:40 p.m. ET and reached a verdict in just under three hours.
The sheer speed at which the jury came to this determination is a really good sign that everyone on the jury was like “fuck this dude in particular”. Not only that, what I think was hilarious was that Trump’s testimony about his valuation in his NY civil trail was submitted and accepted as evidence for the determination on this fine. Like literally some Loony Toons Wile E. Coyote exploding in your face kind of thing.
This was such a massive L for Trump’s legal team that I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
I swear, I’m just waiting for what creative backhoing their graves Trump’s team will be doing in the appeals.
What’s that saying? “Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
Lawyer here. Can confirm.
It’s great when lawyers use the old Latin phrase but you can still figure out what it means through context.
‘Speech is free, but lies you have to pay for.’ - Louis Tompros, lawyer with WilmerHale and lecturer at Harvard Law School.
I mean, throwing a tantrum and storming out of court is going to be seen as a sign of disrespect by any jury. I bet if there even was a Trump supporter in the jury they’d be turned off by his behaviour.
“Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
I’m gonna go ahead and borrow this, and then save it for later.
I, on the other hand, will outright steat it. Thanks, tho.
I open my mouth and out pops something spiteful
Words are so cheap, but they can turn out expensive
Words like conviction can turn into a sentence
Fucking loser always loses.
He’s demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just got more loser-y folks… If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here’s a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.
- 0 re-elections won
- 1 term president
- 2 times impeached
- 3 marriages
- 4 inch lifts in his shoes
- 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
- 6 bankruptcies
- 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
- 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
- 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant’s legal fees
- 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
- 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
- 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
- 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
- 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, “Wow! Just think - in a couple years I’ll be dating you.”
- 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID as it continues to kill years later.
- 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted “miss teen” pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, “trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew.”
- 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
- 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin’s infrastructure bill.
- 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the “misinformation conversation” originated with trump
- 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
- 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members “losers” and “suckers” and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly “bone spurs” excuse.
- 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
- 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
- 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
- 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
🎵 And a partridge in a pear treeeee 🎵
Holy shit that’s an incredible list. Amazing summation. Thanks.
He’s like an elite trailer park king of awfulness.
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83 - million dollars Trump has to pay to E. Jean Carrol for defamation.
91 - indictments
Some slight dissonance as you switch from “always loses” to “was president for 4 years”
Many people think he didn’t even want to win the first time around. Like the picture of his face when he found out, etc.
So maybe he actually lost that election vs his expectations.
losing the popular vote still counts
At least fix the markdown ffs
Start the clock… how long until he fucks up this ruling too?
Are we using American time with Scaramuccis or British time with Lettuces?
The Liz Truss lettuce is tricky because while the lettuce only lasted 6 days, they didn’t start counting until 14/10/22 when she had been sworn in on 6/9/22.
Technically a Mooch (11 or 10 days) is longer than a lettuce, but the lettuce measurement was artificially shortened. ;)
Both are still longer than a Brittany Spears marriage at 55 hours.
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Planck time
I’d be fine if he keeps doing this and Carroll just bleeds him and his supporters dry and she becomes mega rich
She will become… maga rich
As soon as he is president again, he will just change laws.
Punitive damages are capped under a million anyways
Not in this case they aren’t:
“The award included $11 million for damage to Carroll’s reputation, $7.3 million for emotional harm and other damages, and $65 million in punitive damages.”
Just like Guiliani’s case:
“There was an audible gasp in the courtroom when the jury foreperson read aloud the $75 million award in punitive damages for the women. Moss and Freeman were each awarded another roughly $36 million in other damages.”
That depends on the circumstances of the case. In the case of certain federal crimes, murder, rape, and certain types of arson being a nonexhausive list, there’s no cap.
IANAL, but the ideas of Molon Labe, and FAFO are written into federal law, in multiple areas
Edit: obviously this comment is talking about the US
Tell that to the judge
…obviously not.
It’s complete insanity that neither party is using this case against Trump during the primaries. Especially Haley, it’s a gift wrapped opportunity for her to score points on Trump and she completely ignores it. Her campaign was a lost cause from the start but none of the Republican candidates have acted like they are even trying.
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Not enough lib owning to interest those chucklefucks
Maybe not the moonshine-addled MAGA crowd, but there are plenty of faux Republicans (centrists) who may.
Erm, Haley is using this for her campaign:
“Donald Trump wants to be the presumptive Republican nominee and we’re talking about $83 million in damages. We’re not talking about fixing the border. We’re not talking about tackling inflation,” Haley said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “America can do better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden.”
Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4432630-haley-trump-defamation-verdict-america-can-do-better/
She’s not wrong that we can do better.
She’s just wrong in assuming she is better.
I mean, I certainly don’t intended to vote for her over Biden, even considering my distaste for Biden, but I would say she is better than Trump from what I’ve seen. She seems more like “regular” republican evil primarily dangerous due to harmful policies, which is still plenty bad to be fair, but I don’t expect we’d be as likely to have her try a coup should she lose an election.
I’d take her over Trump for sure.
But Biden over her, and like, fucking any other Democrat over Biden.
But this is where we’re at, so I guess I’ll fall in line.
I think this is my favorite dig on it
“If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him…”
-Sun Tzu
They don’t know about it. Legit know someone that doesn’t know all the legal issues trump is currently going through. Lots of “if he committed a crime why hasn’t he been charged?” It was a bit surreal. All the witch hunt talk has saturated the conversation so they don’t even know official proceedings are fully underway. They think because he hasn’t actually paid the damages to E Jean Carrol it means he wasn’t found “guilty” (because they don’t understand the nuance between civil and criminal).
You think any news station Haley watches is even talking about this?
Conservatives live in a bubble these days 100%.
Any time they step outside of it the liberal “slant” of reality slaps them in the face.
You know things like being forced to acknowledge and respect LGBTQ+ people…
And ruin her future chances at getting elected in the
republicanTrumpican party?
Honestly though, has trump ever paid anyone anything, like ever??
(In Nelson’s voice) “HA-HA!”
God sent Trump… to rape women and harass them relentlessly while encouraging others to threaten their lives. God be praised. Praise be to the rapist messiah.
I hope this goes on forever: he keeps defaming, she keeps sueing. Cause we all know this fat turd wont keep his mouth shut.
He’s keeping it shut so far this time. This fine is enough to hurt.
Lol get fucked, loser
Stop being so mean!
What is that pic from? It’s the only time I’ve ever seen him look human.
Probably AI generated
So, we getting new Trump NFT cards? I need to complete the set.
Haven’t seen you around in a while. Glad you’re back. Can always count on you for a quality comment 😂
I get banned because… reasons. Hope you’re doing well.
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I’m in love with the concept that we’re brave rather than foolish.
capricious moderation. that’s why.
I don’t mind. It keeps me from being stagnant and reminds me to adapt to the reader.
Ditto, and glad you’re back in action. See ya around!
This seems amazing. Just shy of starting a religion. I’m down if you’re down.
Can we start a pool on when/if he actually pays?
He already paid the previous $5 million. Technically it’s in an escrow pending appeal, so Carroll doesn’t have it yet. But regardless, Trump is out $5 million.
Now Trump has four choices:
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Pay the $83 million to Carroll
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File an appeal, which means either paying $83 million into an escrow account or putting a lien on his properties and getting a bank to pay $83 million into an escrow account. Either way, Carroll gets the money as soon as she wins the appeal
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Do nothing. This is the worst option, because after 30 days Carroll’s lawyers would start choosing Trump properties to auction off and/or directly withdrawing money from his bank accounts.
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Declare bankruptcy. This could introduce a delay, but it will inevitably result in Trump properties being auctioned off.
Wouldn’t New York have a lien on most of his properties with their fraud case?
I guess he will likely will try to appeal the amount and leverage another lein onto his properties. He could also use his grift money from the PAC’s to pay into the escrow.
Of course his appeal will go swimmingly when he defames her again in 3… 2… 1…
He can’t appeal the amount. He has to put the amount into escrow before he can appeal. That’s standard practice for courts, so that people don’t try to weasel out of paying. Trump isn’t the first person to lose a big lawsuit…
If all of Trump’s properties are under lien and he has nothing left in his bank accounts, then that leaves option 4.
Option 3 doesn’t seem to be working for Alex Jones’s creditors.
He chose option 4, and his estate is facing liquidation.
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If it’s paid at all, it’ll be out of simp donation money.
That’s the very sad truth of current US politics
I’ll bet it all on never.
Carroll may not be paid for years if Trump strings out the appeals. But to appeal, he has to either pay the entire award to the court first, or he can use an appeal bond - assuming any financial institution will give him one. His credit rating is questionable with all these trials hanging over his head. $83 million here, maybe $370 million there, unknown amounts in the documents and vote tampering cases. And nobody is actually sure how much he’s worth. The Trump brand is damaged goods.
He’s under a financial microscope at the moment. He can’t reassign any assets until the two civil trials are completed and paid. Whether Carroll sees the entire award depends on the NY fraud outcome and what Trump’s assets are really worth. Maybe his cracker jack attorney will miss the 2 week appeal deadline, allowing Carroll to seize his liquid assets and put liens on Trump’s real estate holdings.
Is it considered paying if it’s forcefully garnished?
People in this thread saying he’s not going to pay. How can he just not pay if it’s a court order? Genuinely curious how that works. (Assuming the appeal is denied or whatever the final number he owes is).
Someone can probably give a better answer, but it starts by him not paying.
He will appeal the result and that could easily take another year or so, during which time he doesn’t pay.
Then he will just not pay, that will take some time since you can’t complain to the courts that he didn’t pay after 1 day, it probably takes at least 90 days, but realistically probably closer to 120 or 150 days so that he is REALLY overdue.
Then he is given a grace period to respond, that’s another 30 to 60 days. He’ll just say that he can’t. That goes back and forth for a while, at least 6 months total.
Eventually the courts might put some sort of lien on Trump’s income except he doesn’t make money the traditional way, so it won’t pay out. That takes another 6 months or so.
Then maybe they start going after assets. Assets aren’t just free, so that takes even more time.
Also during all of this Trump moves assets around. He isn’t allowed to, but he’s already not allowed to and he has.
At some point in this process an agreement for a settlement is brought up. Trump will offer pennies on the dollar, which no one will accept. Trump will use this to bide even more time.
It’s neverending legal maneuvering. Just bullshit on bullshit on bullshit. Eventually someone gives up or dies. It takes tens of tens of years. At any point Trump can just start to pay a little bit of it, then stop after a few months and the process starts again.
BTW if you don’t pay your bills the full fury comes down on you. No baby gloves.
He will appeal the result and that could easily take another year or so, during which time he doesn’t pay.
To appeal he will have to put the amount ik escrow. Which negates a few of the statements you’ve made. Though completely agree that Trump usually goes for delay, delay, delay.
In order to file an appeal, he has to pay immediately. The money doesn’t go to Carroll, it goes into an escrow account until she wins the appeal. But either way, Trump is out $83 million. No pay = no appeal.
If he doesn’t appeal and doesn’t pay, then in 30 days Carroll’s lawyers will have access to his bank accounts and properties. At that point it won’t matter if he writes a check, they can simply take what they are entitled to directly from his bank. If there isn’t enough in his account, they can start an auction for his properties. The only thing Trump could do would be to declare bankruptcy, and this would only slow down the process not stop it.
Trump can get away with not paying his contractors, but he can’t get away with not paying a court judgment. Of note, back when he owed Carroll $5 million, he paid on time.
Depends.
He could get a bond to secure the appeal of he can find a bank who will lend to him. Which might be easier, with what looks like the impending sale of his New York properties
Yes, he could get a bond. But these bonds are generally 100% collateralized, because the bank is unlikely to get their money back. So that just means his property will be under lien during the appeal and auctioned off if he loses.
Generally. Trump has an uncanny ability to secure bank loans though. And, if New York requires him to sell his properties in the fraud case it wouldn’t surprise me if he was able to leverage the impending sale to secure the bond and then pull, well, a trump.
Remember, the rules you and I play by are not in effect here.
Well, he was able to secure loans back before it was revealed that he misrepresented the value of his assets. Now, perhaps it won’t be so easy.
We can hope.
Trump has an uncanny ability to secure bank loans though
Not after 2020 anymore because:
President Donald Trump’s lenders have forgiven around $287 million in debt that he didn’t pay back, and most of it was related to Chicago’s Trump Tower, according to a New York Times report
I am sure Deutsche Bank is not going to give him another Cent and any other bank will go and count stairs, because he is lying about everything, even about how many floors his buildings have. The times it was easy for him are over.
On top of the 83 million he has a huge amount to pay to his lawyers and since he is not accepting the outcome of the trial and he has another 14 or so going on… and taking money out of his election funds is now also harder to do and getting elected is more expensive because Koch is helping his opponent and Koch has a truly endless warchest.
Every financial transaction he does is under a looking glas now, no more face value and trust, he is seen as the financial sector should have seen him in the past: A naked “king” that pretends to wear nice clothes.
On the assets, he probably also has them set up such that he doesn’t “own” them.
You can also be judgement proof informally.
You and I are likely judgement proof in this sort of situation - we can’t actually afford it. We’re not rapist pieces of shit as well.
He’ll pay as much as Alex Jones has. Jack shit. Unless the court can forcibly remove the funds from their accounts or put them in prison until they pay, these fucks will do nothing.
Yeah, he’s well-known as a deadbeat.
Unless the court can forcibly remove the funds from their accounts
Yes, the courts can and absolutely will, though not in this case, because he’s going to cough up the cash quickly (well as quickly as he can sell some stuff because there’s no way he has that much in liquid assets).
I want her to be able to put liens on all his properties. I doubt that can happen but it would be glorious.
No surprise this being the result, it will be very hard to find anyone in NYC that would go easy on the person known for decades as the city’s biggest douchebag.
