Let them get their raw milk then?
Kids shouldn’t die because their parents are idiots.
The rare salient point.
The frightening thing is that there are a bunch of “YEAH! KILL THOSE KIDS!” people elsewhere in the thread.
honestly im at a point politically, where i think that it needs to happen to be able to knock sense into people.
Thats it! Its not that we rejoice in their dead kids or some shit, but they just wont listen unless theyre personally effected
it’s eugenics, but legal, why shouldn’t we? Clearly letting them live up till now hasn’t served them well.
Yes they should. Children of profound idiots don’t DESERVE to die, but no one should be surprised when they eat lye or invest in 401k. Misunderstand eveything.
I mean if they grow up to be MAGA…….
/s
They might be kind of doomed anyway.
Pathogens don’t care whether or not you spread them to other people who don’t drink raw milk, I’m afraid.
And people who care, actually do things like get vaccines, and believe doctors.
Unless they can’t, some people are immunocompromised. The world is more complicated than you think, so try thinking instead of reacting.
Well, I get that. And at this point, I’m sicking of trying to keep people from setting the house on fire, while they are dousing themselves with gasoline.
You are living in the same house
Don’t even bother. They think you can vaccinate against bacteria. And they’ve doubled down on it three times now.
Vaccines can be developed for bacterial or viral infections. As explained here the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), vaccines are used to prevent, rather than treat, infection, “working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease.” Vaccines mimic an infection, causing the body to produce antibodies and defensive white blood cells, in order to help develop immunity.
Several vaccines against extracellular bacteria have been developed in the past and are still used successfully today, e.g., vaccines against tetanus, pertussis, and diphtheria. However, while induction of antibody production is usually sufficient for protection against extracellular bacteria, vaccination against intracellular bacteria is much more difficult because effective defense against these pathogens requires T cell-mediated responses, particularly the activation of cytotoxic CD8+ T cells. These responses are usually not efficiently elicited by immunization with non-living whole cell antigens or subunit vaccines, so that other antigen delivery strategies are required.
There isn’t an available bird flu vaccine that we could manufacture fast enough to make it available even if we started right now. This is assuming that they let us have it instead of telling us to tough it out and take some vitamin C.
There are actually several already ready to go, just not done because… Well, Bird Flu hasn’t made the jump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1_vaccine
And, as long as the civilize nations of the world keep doing the rational thing, they’ll be able to limit the damage to just the US.
You didn’t even read that, did you?
H5N1 continually mutates, meaning vaccines based on current samples of avian H5N1 cannot be depended upon to work in the case of a future pandemic of H5N1. While there can be some cross-protection against related flu strains, the best protection would be from a vaccine specifically produced for any future pandemic flu virus strain. Daniel R. Lucey, co-director of the Biohazardous Threats and Emerging Diseases graduate program at Georgetown University, has made this point, “There is no H5N1 pandemic so there can be no pandemic vaccine.”[34] However, “pre-pandemic vaccines” have been created; are being refined and tested; and do have some promise both in furthering research and preparedness for the next pandemic.[35] Vaccine manufacturing companies are being funded to increase flexible capacity so that if a pandemic vaccine is needed, facilities will be available for rapid production of large amounts of a vaccine specific to a new pandemic strain.[36]
There is no guarantee that any “pre-pandemic” vaccines will work.
But then, you think you can vaccinate against bacteria…
You can’t vaccinate against pneumonia?
Lol, k.
No. No you can’t. Again, you really do not understand how any of this works. Pneumonia isn’t even a cause, it’s a symptom. I can be caused by fungi, viruses or bacteria. Saying you can vaccinate against pneumonia is like saying you can vaccinate against a runny nose. That’s literally not how anything works.
But please do keep digging.
Please tell me about the salmonella and e. coli vaccines.
I dunno if we have them, because they are both only transmissible via tainted food or water. And, well, if you don’t drink or eat tainted food, you wont really have to worry, now will you?
You don’t know that you can’t have a vaccine against bacteria?
Then maybe you’re out of your depth here.
Pneumonococcal vaccine doesn’t exist?
Dude, seriously stop digging. Vaccination is for viruses, not bacteria.
I get that you really love your raw milk, but that doesn’t entitle you to just make shit up.
I think that’s their point. Just let them be adults and decide. I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else. What I don’t understand is why the Democrats or people on the left haven’t seen this stuff for what it is. Also there’s no counter to this strategy. It’s like a weird game theory situation where one group is knows game theory and the other side knows how to play checkers
I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else.
That much is true. Its a proxy for industry de-regulation.
I’m all for people getting the raw milk they demand, because I hope it will lead to a quick demise.
Problem is, if they acquire a novel virus, they can basically send us into another pandemic.
This kind of crap hurts everyone.
Honestly?
It would not be a bad thing, if that were to happen in the US. Then, we wouldn’t be able to fuck over other countries, due to a severe lack of manpower.
Um, no thanks to that, thank you very much.
If you think something with a fatality rate of ~52% would be a good thing? Not sure what to do with that…and there is no fucking way something like that would stay within our borders in any case.
I’d say the 52% likely overlaps greatly with the 49% that created the situation.
If only. Sadly, that’s not how it works.
Adult implies mental competency.
The non raw milk people should market their milk on the carton with
Death and Disease Free
Big Dairy would probably mark everything up, selling pasteurization as a premium feature.
The flu in general is great at swapping proteins with other strains many of which are extant in the population right now. Every human bird flu infection of which there are presently few is a chance for highly pathogenic bird flu to make a version that is more transmissible which might yet retain its present greater than covid lethality. If this happens millions could die among them the most vulnerable including the old and those with auto immune disorders. Most of these folks who would die don’t themselves drink raw milk for obvious reasons.
Well, thankfully, civilized nations around the globe will be able to contain the damage to mostly just the fascist Imperial States of America.
No they won’t be able to. There is no tested and mass produced vaccine as of yet. There is no guarantee that a vaccine vs the present bird flu will work against what idiots brew up. Even if the experimental vaccines we have in the pipe are functional against the strain that emerges there is no reason to believe that everyone especially the poorer nations shall be able to manufacture enough fast enough to prevent widespread death.
Covid did have the silver lining of really jump-starting science and medicine in this regard. I shudder to think how the viciously stupid and hateful donvict administration will handle something like bird flu, even with these great tools we now have.
There is not a chance of that happening.
People in America also thought that Covid was just something “over there” when it started in China, too. That’s not how disease works.
Regulators Say It’s Dangerous.
Not for long, they won’t, because they won’t be allowed to.
Because they won’t exist.
its because it is dangerous.
There’s literally no point in selling non pasteurized milk, unless you want to waste money and cause potential health issues.
Literally all pasteurization does is heat up the milk, moderately, for a short period of time, and thats it.
It’s more cost effective to do at scale, it’s easier to regulate, ensuring consumer safety is easier, and ensuring that something happens if your dumbass doesn’t do it properly, can also happen. The only reason you shouldn’t do this is if you want to pasteurize your own milk, for some reason.
Maybe if you hate having free time, and need more responsibilities you should go synthesize your own fucking motor oil. Not pasteurize milk.
If you want to make Kefir at home you need raw milk. Obviously US goes into Soviet times so they will need it. This and potatoes in every home garden.
No you do not.
Buy and maintain some kefir grains, it’s not expensive or difficult and does not require raw milk.
https://culturesforhealth.com/collections/kefir/products/milk-kefir-grains
Ok then this thing. My father used to do it. I’m not a fan.
I make yogurt all the time with pasteurized milk. Why would “thin yogurt” require raw milk? I have read that you get a thicker yogurt using regular pasteurized milk instead of ultra pasteurized milk, but I have had zero problems making yogurt with either.
Kefir is delicious though
Let them drink raw milk
Cows are getting avian influenza. Farm workers are getting it from the chickens and cows. There is concern that people may eventually catch bird flu from raw milk. The more people get infected, the greater the odds that a mutation will develop that allows human to human transmission. Unfortunately, we may, yet again, have all of our lives and livelihoods threatened by people too ignorant to take even the most basic precautions for self preservation.
Beautiful … the Darwin Awards are now coming to your grocery store
At least this time the disease will stay confined to the stupid.
Isn’t it contagious
Tuberculosis is also carried in unpastuerised milk. The US currently has the largest outbreak in its history.
Yeah, in Kansas City. From what I’ve been able to track down, Patient Zero came back from a recent trip to the Federated States of Micronesia. Current infected rate reported hit 66 people, but that might be higher.
If you’re in the Midwest, brush up on symptoms to look for, and stay away from Nursing Homes and elementary schools if you’re vulnerable.
Bird flu? Human-to-human either isn’t happening, or is extremely rare, can’t remember.
For now. If it mutates to become more contagious without becoming less deadly, that becomes an everyone problem
Stupidity? Based on the election result, I would say yes.
You can at least get vaxed for tb.
That’s not how diseases work.
Let them drink it.
Sorry but how the fuck are insurance companies OK with this? They hold extreme amounts of power over the US. They are going to have to do ridiculous amounts of payouts for hospital bills.
How the fuck are people’s life saving surgeries getting denied at pre-approval, but they are not denying people’s coverage for fucking drinking raw milk??
The insurance companies just have to make this simple calculation work: Price for insurance > average costs to pay the bills covered
They could just not cover raw milk related stuff, or, actually, they don’t even really have to care, they can just increase prices– what are you gonna do about it?
You haven’t heard? AI is going to automatically deny all those claims, problem solved.
Maybe if this takes off raw milk will show up on health questionnaires or be in the fine print as a pre existing condition
They don’t pay out the bills lol. I imagine they’ll work on dismantling the ACA/“Obamacare.” Insurance will cover nothing.
they can just outright deny them im guessing, the consumer bought it, knowingly.
And theyll somehow blame Dems
Same as every other money minded entity, if they speak out they’ll be shouted down or destroyed. Ethics don’t matter, number go up.
Fascists always turn on each other.
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I drank milk from the tank and cream is the best. However, I still prefer pasteurized milk. If the MAGAts want to drink raw milk, let them and watch the green apple splatter flow.
Big year for Tuberculosis
You know what, just let it happen. I’ll just do my best to stay away from any milk for four years. We’ll see how things turn out afterwards.
Switch to almond
I like soy better
Oat is GOAT for coffee
And oatmeal. And oats cereal. I feel like I’m missing something…
But I can still get the pasteurized stuff, right?
Not for long.
Guess it’s almond milk for me then.
I mean… science says it’s dangerous. Reality says it’s dangerous. And soon, for many, entropy will remember that it was dangerous.
Science doesn’t say that. Control freak whiners say it.
Wait, are you’re seriously trying to say that raw milk isn’t dangerous??
If I may, I’d like to ask you to read a few resources that will help illustrate how consuming raw milk has the potential to be incredibly dangerous with the hope that you will take this seriously.
The Center for Disease Control is a good place to start where they illustrate what pasteurizing means and why we do it:
Next, I’d suggest you look into the complications that can arise as a result of consuming raw milk:
Dangers associated with raw milk consumption
And finally, I’d recommend you read up on the misconceptions and flat-out lies you’ve been led to believe about the “safety” of consuming unpasteurized milk:
Hope this helps you out!
Any bets if that CDC link is still working in 2026?
Legal in the UK and they’re fine. I don’t need help whatsoever. Clotted cream is fucking delicious.
Again, clotted cream is pasteurized in the cooking process. This is very well known. I think you’re being willfully obtuse at this point.
And for the record, “it’s fucking delicious” isn’t a thing anyone considers when deciding wether or not something is safe to consume. For example:
Typically, pizza is cooked at between 800-900 degrees Fahrenheit, or 259-260 degrees Celsius. However… while I wouldn’t suggest you eat it at that temperature….
I’d be willing to bet it’s fucking delicious.
“Mmmm! This cyanide tastes just like almonds!”
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Fucking hell, you people don’t even understand what pasteurization is. The temperature is literally not raised high enough to qualify as being under NA health regulations.
Yes… it is.
Clotted Cream isn’t the same thing as raw milk.
https://www.roddas.co.uk/faqs/
"IS CLOTTED CREAM PASTEURISED?
Yes it is pasteurised and therefore is it safe for both children and pregnant women to eat and enjoy.
IS CLOTTED CREAM SAFE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN TO EAT?
Yes, it’s pasteurised, so it’s perfectly safe for those with a bun in the oven."
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One of the key manufacturers of clotted cream says in their very own FAQ page, TWICE, that you’re wrong.
The reason it’s not for export is that it’s not shelf stable enough to export. Totally different issue from pasturuzation.
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Some odd use of the word “fine” I’m not familiar with:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/raw_milk
Is raw milk safe?
Raw milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as salmonella, e-coli, listeria and campylobacter.
A 2019 Public Health England review finds raw milk responsible for 26 outbreaks of intestinal infectious disease in England and Wales between 1992 and 2017. These involved 343 people and resulted in 41 hospitalisations. There were no outbreaks between 2003 and 2013, but seven occured between 2014 and 2017.
Pasteurised milk was the cause of 12 outbreaks during the same 25-year timeframe: 10 due to pasteurisation failures and two to post-pasteurisation contamination.
“In terms of food safety, from a microbiological point of view, drinking raw milk is not safe", says Dr Jorge Gutierrez-Merino, a lecturer in food microbiology at the University of Surrey. “Raw milk may contain many different pathogenic microbes, including some deadly bacteria, which could cause fatal infections, mainly in children, the elderly and immunocompromised people", adds Dr Gutierrez-Merino.
A representative of FSA says “a ban of raw cow’s drinking milk was introduced in Scotland in 1983", adding it poses“a high risk to public health […] with 12 potentially associated deaths in Scotland in the early 1980s".
In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, raw milk is sampled and tested four times a year by hygiene inspectors. The farms are inspected twice a year and the herd must be healthy and free from brucellosis and tuberculosis.
If testing detects the presence of harmful bacteria or is ‘inconclusive’, the relevant local authority must be informed and sales of raw drinking milk must cease immediately. The cause of the problem must be identified and corrective action taken. Sales can resume after at least two consecutive tests from different batches of milk proving its safety.
Salmonella outbreak tied to raw milk products from often-implicated firm may have sickened 165
“According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1998 through 2018, there were 202 outbreaks linked to drinking raw milk These outbreaks caused 2,645 illnesses and 228 hospitalizations. CDC points out that most foodborne illnesses are not a part of recognized outbreaks, and for every illness reported, many others occur.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/updates-bird-flu-outbreak-now-linked-raw-milk/story?id=116479974
"Updates on the bird flu outbreak, now linked to raw milk products in California
The first case of bird flu in a person was confirmed in April by the CDC."
"Nearly a dozen cats in California have died since early December after consuming raw milk or raw pet food contaminated with bird flu, health officials have said.
The infections have followed a massive outbreak of the bird flu virus in dairy cows, which has affected in more than 900 U.S. dairy herds in 16 states. About 80 percent of those herds are in California.
Federal and state health officials have warned people not to drink raw milk because of the potential for infection with bird flu and a host of other germs. Officials also have cautioned pet owners to avoid feeding unpasteurized milk and raw meat diets to their animals."
Brother, why do you think pasteurization was invented?
I personally don’t see an issue with people wanting to eat risky foods, but don’t try and tell us that we shouldn’t warn you that they are risky and could harm you. What happens after is your responsibility, but at least allow people to make an informed decision first rather than cover up the obvious health risks.
When there choice can harm others by spreading of disease we should care.
It’s not a this only affects them situation.
Plus, these people inflict these risks on their kids which should be child abuse. The kids aren’t able to make an informed choice.
Because it’d take a week in a shitty wooden “tanker” to move milk from farms into the Parisian slums.
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Milk still needs to be transported from farms to consumers regardless of whether or not it was pasteurized.
🤡🤡
travel and learn
If you’re using “travel and learn” as a way to illustrate the idea that this is what allowed you to arrive at your point that raw milk is safe, It’s clearly ineffective advice.
I’m going to kindly ask that you stop with the misinformation.
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All over the world people are doing really dumb things.
Lol have fun with your bird flu
science literally does.
Science says that if you fall over and hit your head on the ground you might fucking die also.
Welp time to switch to 100% oat milk
Oat milk is great imo. Planet Oat extra creamy is the best available where I’m at.
Depending on your patience, you can make your own for super cheap. It’s roughly 100g oats to 1000g water, with 20-50g neutral oil, and a tiny bit of guar and xanthan gums. Blend the oats and water for a minute, strain, then add the gums and oil and blend again. Sweeten to taste. Maybe ten minutes max.
If you can get it easily, adding amylase enzymes (blend of alpha, beta and gamma works best) after blending, warming to around 140, let sit for 30 minutes and then raise to 180 for 5 will increase the sweetness and keep it from getting gloopy. You can get them pretty cheap from a brewing supply store. It’s how they make commercial oat milk, and it’s how they can say “no added sugar” and still have it be sweet.
What does neutral oil mean? Just any vegetable oil like olive oil or canola oil etc?
An oil without a flavor. Olive oil is an example of a not neutral oil since it imparts a flavor to the dish.
Corn, vegetable, soybean, canola and peanut are good examples. No one would drizzle a little corn oil on a plate to dip bread in. :)
They also can tolerate higher temperatures, so you can use them in cooking a bit easier.
One that doesn’t have a strong taste, canola yes, olive no.
You wonderful human being, thank you.
Yeah see this is the thing.
Looking at the ingredients of oat milk it’s often as little as 2% oats.
That checks out looking at these ingredients… 4/5ths of the oats are strained out.
That means it’s really oily unsugary water with a whiff of oat.
What is even the point of that.
Also, fun fact… the xanthan gum seems to kill the creme on a nice cup of black coffee. So a dish of oat milk in your long black is… undesirable.
The “point” is that it’s a tasty beverage.
Why on earth would you measure the quality of a beverage by how diluted the solids are, or how much filler gets strained out?“Milk is just watered down cheese! It’s 87% water! What’s the point of it?”
Coffee hardly has any coffee in it, you throw away most of the bean.
Don’t even get me started on broth.The fat content is equal to or lower than the fat content of typical dairy based creamers, which is also where the sugar content comes from. A mild quantity of fat is required for the creamer to have a good mouth feel and have a degree of “coating” effect. The gums help keep the fat in suspension since I lack a homogenizer like they use on milk, as well as increasing the viscosity in a way that’s imparted by protein in milk.
If you want to you can just eat the result without filtering. It’s called oatmeal. It’s still watered down though, so I might recommend toasting them and having a nice dry oat bar to go with your puck of dehydrated milk.
In general, I’d recommend against putting any sort of creamer in your black coffee. It tends to make it no longer black coffee.
I don’t personally find issue with any of the emulsifies doing anything to coffee I don’t like, but if you’re exploring there are plenty of others. I’ve had good luck with konjac in a blend with guar, xanthan, and methylcellulose, but two of those are less likely to be in the baking aisle at the store. The more you use the smaller the proportional quantity you need, since they have a synergistic effect. Less than a gram total combined weight of the four previous ones makes a consistency like heavy cream. Great for ice cream base.Thanks for the tip on making this. We typically have almond milk in the fridge as it’s easy to find, but it sure is not cheap. Maybe taking a stab at making oat milk to taste might be a fun experiment.
We don’t really have any milk in our fridge except for the very rare recipe. Our house is vegetarian, nearly vegan. I don’t really consume almond milk directly if you will - I drink my coffee black - I’ll use it with the rare bowl of cereal I might have. Now I’m wondering how homemade oat milk might work out.
I’ve never been a big fan of milk anyway - and that extends to alternatives - and same with the rest of my family, so even something tasty is probably not going to get used up very quickly ( a half gallon of almond milk will often be in our fridge for 2 weeks or more ) - how long will this keep?
This will not last super long unfortunately, since it’s not pasteurized. Your best bet is to treat it like fresh orange juice.
Using it for cereal, you’ll want to get the brewer enzymes. Oats have a carbohydrate in them that gets gloopy after a not long time without them. In coffee or tea it’s less noticeable because of the stiring, but cereal I fear might be lessened.
I’m not personally vegan, but lactose is mean to me. Trying to make a lactose free ice cream led me to find that the vegan community has suitable ice creams, but a lot of them feel like a compromise, so the challenge of it became the focus of the science-ing I went down.
As a result it’s best suited to making ice cream and popsicles (needs tweaking for that purpose), and alone is more of a cream consistency. For a usable quantity for cereal, you might cut the oats in half-ish (5-7% of water weight), reduce the oil to no more than 10g/1% and keep the gums the same. The recipe scales well, so you can make a half liter just as well. Although with how cheap oats are it’s almost not worth it to bother.
Your comment is great, equally snarky and informative. I appreciate it and got a couple giggles out of it, too!
Thanks for taking the time for both of your comments. I’ve saved them for the future as I can no longer drink dairy and not a fan of how much sugar some of the commercial oat milks have
No problem! I’ve been lactose intolerant for a while but over the past several years it’s gotten a bit more … Dramatic. The lactose free ice cream always seems to have a funny taste to me, but I tried a oat milk ice cream and was really surprised how creamy it was.
I have an ice cream maker so I started doing some science at making my own. There are worse hobbies, since even the failures are almost always edible. (I did make one with the “fun” property of being nearly identical in texture at every temperature. Scooping some into a hot pan and having it crisp but remain soft is… Unnerving)If you make some, feel free to let me know how it goes! I’d be happy to give pointers to push it in a direction you prefer, or just have another data point for what works. :)
Hmm, I don’t find it “tasty” myself and just kind of assumed it was milk’s ugly-cousin substitute. Why else would it be oat “milk” if not intended as a substitute? It never occurred to me that someone would drink it as a stand alone beverage because… there’s much nicer drinks around than oily water.
There’s a cafe here that doesn’t serve cows milk so they offer oat milk to everyone that asks. “Nah mate I’m good just poor some oil in there that’ll do”.
We don’t really do “creamers” here. It’s either cow’s milk, cream, or this type of vegetable oil based substitute “milk”.
Also just to make sure you’re aware, all coffee is black coffee before you add “creamer”.
It’s called oat milk because English has called any white liquid milk longer than we’ve had the notion that milk only comes from mammals. In some recipes from the 12th century dairy milk is actually the poor man’s substitute for almond milk.
I’m confused about your obsession with the oil content. Do you only use skim or non-fat milk?
Most people like some fat in their milk because it makes it have a better mouth feel and to be less watery. But, as you mentioned, your tastes are different from other people’s and you sometimes don’t like things that other people do, so it’s fine if you don’t like fatty milk.It never occurred to you that people buy and consume a beverage because they like it? What an interesting world you live in.
all coffee is black coffee before you add “creamer”.
You don’t say. What wonders will they think of next.
It’s called oat milk because …
Nonsense. It’s called oat milk because it sells better if people think of it as a milk substitute. “Tasty Oat Drink” just doesn’t have the same appeal.
I’m confused about your obsession …
I’m “obsessed” with the oil content because most people sipping oat milk lattes think that it’s the nectar lovingly squeezed from plump little oats by italian virgins while sunning themselves by the seaside.
It never occurred …
It never occurred to me that anyone would enjoy drinking tasty oat drink.
You don’t say …
Sorry it’s just that your earlier witty retort seemed based on a misconception regarding this particular nuance of beverage preparation. My bad.
Anyhow, feel free to have the last word in this tawdry little tete-a-tete but for my own part I think I’ll leave you to appreciate your oil based milk substitute.
Horchata, aka chilled rice drink, is only like less than 1% rice! It’s mostly water and sugar, with some spices!
What’s the POINT?!?!
Spoiler: horchata is delicious, and basically the same thing as oatmilk, when you get down to it.
One of the few things I really miss about living in L.A. was all the little agua fresca stands where I could get horchata. And cheap.
Bobby Singer spitting wisdom.
RIP Bobby.
