“Joe Biden’s decision is a clear gross abuse of power. He, and his supporters, have blood on their hands.”
By not killing people? Are they actually insane? I’m guessing just disingenuous bc the whole framing they’re doing glosses over the fact that these convicts are still going to do life without parole.
Yup. The reason most of them are on death row is it takes literally decades of litigation before someone can be put to death (a good thing). By commuting their sentences Biden is saving the taxpayers millions.
Thank god. I was scared they’d try to get luigi killed during Trump’s term as a sort of example.
What makes you think that this action by Biden has any effect on that?
I never said I did. This was relating to the Trump admin.
Not insane, just dishonest assholes.
I say both. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
I don’t know. Insane implies they’re not responsible for their actions because they don’t know any better.
That isn’t the case these grifters are fully aware of what they’re doing and they don’t care.
He does seem to be losing grasp of reality, in addition to being a grifter. But I can’t be making any real judgement about this either.
I guess if you follow the logic that the death penalty is the only deterrent that works, as opposed to just life on prison, Biden just told people that they can crime all they want, you won’t get the death penalty.
This is obviously bullshit, but that’s the thinking behind the statement.
I have seen posts from Trumpers calling for public executions lately, this insane blood thirst with zero lack of understanding that once that cat is out of the bag, then ANYONE is fair game, utterly astounds me.
I keep thinking that they can’t get worse, yet they keep digging despite the bottom of the barrel having long since past.
They think they’re not one of “them”.
The problem for MAGAs is that they want public executions for their enemies.
If anyone deserves the death penalty it’s Trump. We have proof he sowed sedition and conspired to start an insurrection.
The fact that he’s not in a supermax prison is a perversion of justice.
“the children of the revolution will eat themselves”
this insane blood thirst with zero lack of understanding that once that cat is out of the bag, then ANYONE is fair game
Honestly, I think “zero lack of understanding,” with the cancelling double-negative, might be exactly right. They genuinely want this and revel in the prospect of Trump (ab)using it against his political enemies.
What’s the point of scapegoats if you can’t torture and kill them?
Death cult.
I’ve been hearing quite a bit pro-murder sentiment coming from the left lately so I’m not sure what the issue here is.
EDIT: No amount of mental gymnastics changes the fact that Luigi is a murderer and if you think the CEO deserved to die for being “murderer” himself then so does Luigi.
The vast majority of people celebrating the death of the United Healthcare CEO would have been perfectly happy with him being stripped of power and imprisoned, but that wasn’t ever an option so the only thing available is death. There’s also some evidence that his death has actually made a difference, in the form of other health insurance companies chickening out of unethical policy changes.
In the case of these prisoners, they’re already safely behind bars. It’s also, broadly speaking, much more likely that they aren’t guilty of what they’ve been convicted of (although I don’t know anything about these particular cases). We also have evidence that the death penalty doesn’t have the effect on crime rates which proponents claim it does, so it’s different in a whole bunch of ways
One is either for death penalty or against it. Being for it in the case of CEO’s but against it when it comes to convicted criminals is called hypocrisy.
Every single step that Luigi took, right before shooting the ceo, was legal. Everything the CEO and his company did to their customers is legal.
I’m all for changing the legal system in any way that would make it harder for unwell people to get guns or insurance CEOs to stop murdering and maming their subscribers through denials. We don’t have the political will to change any of that so excusing me for not shedding tears over this CEO’s death.
There was a literal mass shooting at a school the same day. I feel way worse for those kids.
Being against the death penalty and bemused at conservative political consequences is not hypocrisy. Maybe stop being angry at “the left” for not shedding tears and instead propose any change that would have prevented this.
They don’t know anything about “the left” any more than they know what hypocrisy is.
You’re not representing my view honestly.
I’m not criticising the left for “not shedding a tear.” I’m criticising them for celebrating a murderer.
Your view is that the left is celebrating this and for some reason youre completely ignoring that this is in no way a left/right split.
Go over to truth social, you can donate to Luigi’s cause there, too.
Frankly, anyone who turns a class war into left/right bullshit isn’t worth chatting with. Too far gone. So frankly if someone has misrepresented your view – good? Your overall take here is upside down and from there I dont think anyone is gonna take you seriously.
The right as a whole tends to be much more accepting towards the death penalty. There’s no hypocricy for me to criticise there. This is exactly what I’d expect from them.
Secondly, there are effectively no right wingers on Lemmy so criticising them here serves no purpose other than to fish for upvotes.
The left however is against death penalty in general but accepting of it when directed at people they don’t like. That is being a hypocrite and that is what I’m criticising. Praising Luigi on Lemmy gets you nothing but upvotes.
I disagree. It’s perfectly possible to hold an internally consistent view that it’s wrong to execute a prisoner, both because there’s no reason to do so (the prisoner already being imprisoned) and because courts get the decision wrong too often (and/or because the courts aren’t trustworthy), while also believing that it’s acceptable to kill under other circumstances
Sure, it’s acceptable to kill when you’re defending yourself or your country but shooting a man on the street is a whole different case and who ever celebrates this kind of vigilante murder has no moral ground to stand on from which to criticise the death penalty.
That man on the street and his like have murdered plenty of people and will continue to do so until they are stopped. It has fuck-all to do with state executions.
The class war is literally war, and only one side has been taking all the casualties. It’s about time people fight back. The moment we can lock these people up for their crimes against humanity I will be against killing them.
There is a stark difference between killing a mass murderer when there is no legal recourse and allowing the state to execute a prisoner who could just as easily be kept imprisoned for life.
You are confusing hypocrisy and nuance.
If hypocrisy is what it takes to keep literal evil the fuck outta here. Small price to pay
“free opinions”… I guess you get what you pay for…
Anyway, it’s not hypocrisy because you’re comparing apples to ai generated articles. He was the CEO of a company responsible for denying billions of dollars worth of life saving medicine. Comparing that to one murder is silly. Saying they both deserve the same punishment is silly.
Luigi didn’t murder anyone. Luigi committed an act of self defense/ community defense against a mass murderer.
Those that make peaceful progress impossible, also make violent resistance inevitable.
Doesn’t seem to me like the support is coming only from the left.
You can tell the journalist wrote “rages at” in the headline because we’d rip the pish out of them if they said “SLAMS”
“President-elect Trump ELECTRONICALLY PONTIFICATES at Biden over pardons for death row inmates.”
If the headline doesn’t at least contain an “eviscerates” or “skullfucks” I won’t even bother to read it.
Hey, at least they took 3 seconds to try and be vaguely original.
Biden left the three people Trump wanted to pardon on the list so he could be the good guy for all the Nazis out there. It’s a Christmas gift in the spirit of bipartisanship
I’m pretty sure Trump thinks Biden is letting them out of prison.
No, Trump wants his bootlicking followers to believe that.
I’m guessing trump will avoid executing Dylann Roof cuz… ya know. But perhaps he will kill the 31 year old Boston bomber cuz he is a Muslim immigrant.
Ha ha ha. It is a very merry Christmas.
It’s all he wanted for Christmas, nothing like executions to make a dictator smile.
Paywalled.
Trump Rages at Biden for Wrecking His Plans for Executions: ‘Makes No Sense’
President-elect Donald Trump reacted to President Joe Biden’s commutation of the sentences of 37 of the 40 people on federal death row with befuddlement and disbelief on Tuesday, claiming the decision “makes no sense.”
“Joe Biden just commuted the Death Sentence on 37 of the worst killers in our Country,” Trump wrote, in a Christmas Eve post on Truth Social, featuring his usual irregular capitalization.
“When you hear the acts of each, you won’t believe that he did this. Makes no sense. Relatives and friends are further devastated. They can’t believe this is happening.”
On Monday, the White House announced Biden had commuted the sentences of 37 men on federal death row to life without parole. Biden left three federal inmates to face execution: racist mass murder Dylann Roof, antisemitic mass murderer Robert Bowers and Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
The decision was explicitly designed to stifle the death-penalty-loving Trump—who oversaw a modern record 13 federal executions during his first term—before he returns to office.
“In good conscience, I cannot stand back and let a new administration resume executions that I halted,” said Biden, in a statement announcing his decision.
On Tuesday, Trump followed up his original post with a promise to pursue capital punishment once he’s back in power.”
“As soon as I am inaugurated, I will direct the Justice Department to vigorously pursue the death penalty to protect American families and children from violent rapists, murderers, and monsters,” Trump wrote. “We will be a Nation of Law and Order again!”
Trump’s return to office had already raised concern among human rights experts.
“It is near certain that Donald Trump will re-start the federal killing machine where he left off, and we remain concerned about the human rights of those who are still on federal and military death row,” said Paul O’Brien, Amnesty International USA’s Executive Director, in a statement.
Trump’s spokesperson Steven Cheung was even more effusive about Biden’s clemency than his boss, saying Monday that the death row inmates whose sentences were commuted are “are among the worst killers in the world,” excoriating Biden’s “abhorrent decision” as “a slap in the face to the victims, their families, and their loved ones.”
Responses from victims’ families and loved ones, however, has not been unanimous.
Heather Turner—whose mother was killed during a 2017 bank robbery in South Carolina by one of the men whose death sentences was commuted—slammed the decision, writing on Facebook: “Joe Biden’s decision is a clear gross abuse of power. He, and his supporters, have blood on their hands.”
But retired Ohio police officer Donnie Oliverio, whose partner was killed by another man whose sentence was commuted, offered a statement of support: “Putting to death the person who killed my police partner and best friend would have brought me no peace. The president has done what is right here, and what is consistent with the faith he and I share.”
Biden emphasized, in announcing his decision, that he condemns the murderers and grieves for those who suffered losses.
“But guided by my conscience and my experience as a public defender, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, vice-president, and now president, I am more convinced than ever that we must stop the use of the death penalty at the federal level,” he said.
His act was hailed by human rights experts.
“The death penalty is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment, and President Biden’s eleventh-hour decision before leaving office to commute these death sentences is a big moment for human rights,” said Amnesty’s O’Brien.
Tanya Greene, US program director at Human Rights Watch, said the “courageous decision recognizes the U.S. death penalty has failed to deter crime or improve public safety, risked the execution of innocent people, and runs counter to the belief in the dignity of all human life and the possibility of redemption.”
Biden’s historic commutation came little more than a week after the president granted some 1,500 pardons and commutations to Americans convicted of nonviolent crimes in the largest single-day act of clemency in modern U.S. history. It also followed his controversial pardon of his own son.
Thank you.
In defense of trump, it’s what white jesus wants
