• EatATaco@lemm.ee
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    3 years ago

    Just read the wapo opinion piece.

    The gist of the piece, for those who will not read it, is that mixed political couples, while less happy than aligning political couples, are still happier than single people. Additionally marriage is good for society as this making your political party core to your identity will lead to more political polarization. Also this intentional separation leads to close-mindedness.

    Basically, “it’s not good for your happiness nor your ability to be open to new ideas. It’s also bad for society, so maybe we need to rethink this” is not “bullying.” But labelling it that way certainly gets those outrage clicks!

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      3 years ago

      Basically, “it’s not good for your happiness nor your ability to be open to new ideas. It’s also bad for society, so maybe we need to rethink this”

      Ah yes fresh ideas like “we should have a treasonous rapist for president” or “maybe the party that doesn’t believe women are real people is for me” or “as a non-white cis male, maybe I have too many rights.”

      If it were 20 years ago, maybe this piece would make a little sense, but republicans are full mask off now. I don’t know that I would call it bullying, but I would call a piece that unironically suggests women (or anyone) engage with these people incredibly naive at best, and in 2023, just downright stupid.

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        3 years ago

        This post reads to me like the typical in-group out-group type of thinking where the essence of the entire “out-group” is boiled down to most hateful exaggeration of their position in order to (and in this case hypocritically because it’s what you are accusing them of doing) dehumanize them.

        Nothing has really changed in 20 years. all those problems have always existed where the right wants to remove the right of abortion. Of course this has to be framed as them thinking women aren’t even people so they can be dismissed out of hand. It’s close mindedness, and it’s exactly the same I see from the right wing of my family. at least those who haven’t left the republican party since the rise of trump.

        Don’t get me wrong, I do believe that there is something wrong with the modern day republican party where trump has been revealed to be everything they openly hated about Clinton (other than liberal), and yet they still support him, but closing yourself off to them and dehumanize them doesn’t solve anything, it just makes you more like them than you would want to admit.

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          This post reads to me like the typical in-group out-group type of thinking where the essence of the entire “out-group” is boiled down to most hateful exaggeration of their position in order to (and in this case hypocritically because it’s what you are accusing them of doing) dehumanize them.

          Then your reading comprehension is low. They’re still human, I’m not trying to deny them basic rights, and I’m not exaggerating anything. Trump is a rapist. This is a fact. Trump is also the front runner for the Republican Party. This is also a fact. Trump maintains that massive support after he installed 3 justices which lead to the overturning of Roe and has led to a state where women have fewer rights. Even in cases of rape, where a women’s bodily autonomy has been violently taken from her, she may not be able to exercise control of her own body to abort. Republicans are arguing right now that women shouldn’t be able to voluntarily divorce. So yeah, for shorthand, Republicans don’t believe women deserve equal rights, and thus don’t believe women are the same amount of human they are.

          Nothing has really changed in 20 years.

          20 years ago women had bodily autonomy. Book bans were things we read about in school done by fascist governments. Vaccinating was not controversial and polio had been all but eradicated. White Replacement Theory was not on the most popular primetime “news” show. Mocking service members who lost limbs in war for this country was career ending. The list goes on and on.

          It’s close mindedness

          No, it’s not, and choosing to engage in these sorts of arguments in good faith is already ceding ground that simply should not be. One side: “I would like us to go to Dairy Queen.” Other side: “I want us to eat dog shit.” Side one: “no.” Side two: “you’re just not being open minded! let’s debate this great idea!”

          I do believe that there is something wrong with the modern day republican party

          Phew, that’s the easy, obviously correct position.

          revealed to be everything they openly hated about Clinton (other than liberal)

          I can guarantee you that none of these people could articulate a thing they hated about Clinton.

          but closing yourself off to them

          “Really need to check out this dogshit idea.” Tbh this is just the free market doing its thing. If I open a dogshit restaurant, I’d expect that I’d quickly go out of business. Republicans are choosing policy positions that are not only not popular, they pretty easily provably lead to worse outcomes for most Americans. Most of these things are not moral or philosophical debate. Speaking of, another thing that’s changed in 20 years - access to information. While you’re right Republicans haven’t really had good positions in my lifetime, they’ve moved to more extremes, and information about what they’re doing is more widely available. Like, there has been an undercurrent of racism in the party for a very long time, but it was easy to dismiss because leaders at least still spoke in dogwhistles. Trump is just flagrantly racist, and, again, still the front runner.

          Anyway, this is the difference. Republican positions are to ban things and ideas they don’t like. Words like “eradicate” come up a lot when talking about other people. Listen to a trump speech, DeSantis speech, etc. They season them all with frankly genocidal language. The other side is “vermin.” This is what it means to dehumanize. You’ll find none of that in my comment. Republicans are human, just stupid or greedy humans. I don’t believe that they don’t deserve to exist, I believe they deserve better educations and economic outcomes so they stop holding such dogshit ideas.

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            3 years ago

            You seem completely incapable of separating the one from the group. I understand, it’s much more simply to just say “they are all exactly like this person,” but it’s dehumanizing. That’s the whole point. You’re not looking at the human, you’re attempting to stick them all into a group, say they are all extreme, and thus dismiss them completely from your life.

            Is this is unhealthy for you and for society, it’s right to point it out.