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I’ll believe it when I see it. And I mean see proper leaving, not the current “Oh we’re not even there, pls ignore using nato airfields for attacks, supplying intelligence, directly providing orders and weapons control, and merce- I mean volunteers totally unaffiliated with the military and totally not currently employed!”
Besides, it would just mean the main goals have been achieved - Ukraine is in ruins, the bad blood between Ukraine and Russia will now run for generations to come, Europe is frothing at the mouth and seeking to either enter a direct war with Russia, or at least cut economic ties, etc.
I think they already achieved their goals, that being the EU increasing military spending, and hurting Russia economic ties with EU.
Yes, that’s what I said (I think I did?). So now that’s done, why bother keeping up the pantomime? Never spend more on an acquisition than you have to
Holden Bloodfeast say “Blood for the blood god”, as pleasure added to duty, USA has been like this for some time.
It’s true that the initial goal was to isolate and weaken Russia, but the Ukraine conflict has ended up benefiting Russia in some ways. The war led Russia to reindustrialize and seek more genuine partnerships. Allies like China are willing to work together on equal terms, rather than trying to manipulate or control the way the west does.
Agreed- the losers are Europe, and US influence and prestige (outside the west, though also potentially within as Europe is collapsing economically and anyone with the sense to recognize it knows the yanks are to blame).
Russia’s future, and the future of humanity (including that of the masses of the west, if they can get their heads out of their asses to realize it) lies with the global south, and with multipolarity, and with that true dignity and development for all. There was short term loss, but I think Russia is and will be infinitely better off without Europe and the west, as the poisoned pool of racism, imperialism, and arrogance that the west is.
It’s a shame it took this long, and cost so much of the Russian blood, sweat, and tears to learn this, with the loss of the Soviet Union, and even then, further encroachment and aggression until their ethnic kin were being slaughtered and persecuted right next door in their historic homelands, for the lesson to be learned. But hopefully it will stick this time- the imperialists are not to be trusted, they only seek hegemony and only offer destruction. That’s the nature of the system; no amount of whiteness, capitalism, or self-degredation will satiate it.
very much agree
I suspect there might be an underlying cynical motive behind this situation. It seems like the US has come to terms with its inability to compete with Russian production capabilities and is attempting to shift blame onto Republicans for holding up funds, rather than admitting that it lacks the necessary industrial capacity to sustain these efforts.
The United States is not Ukraine’s only ally, but it is the only one with the willingness and means to supply Ukraine’s war effort. Many European nations lack a political tradition of arming other countries. They have sent Ukraine some impressive weapons, like German tanks and Swedish shoulder-fired missiles. But “they cannot pump out munitions,” Julian said. “They cannot produce large numbers of artillery shell rounds — the No. 1 thing Ukraine needs.”
This whole paragraph is truly a piece of Yankee writing.
“We have the biggest weapons, the best weapons, people come up to me and say “wow, those are some impressive weapons.” Believe me.”
War is peace
