As an employer I would be concerned that my employees aren’t bright enough to lie to me properly.
And that their professionalism is so low they’re comfortable dropping f bombs in texts right after lying.
Eh, depends on how the boss is.
Like, I drop f-bombs in front of one of my bosses, but would never in front of the other.
I once had a boss who I screamed, “go fuck yourself!” at and stormed out. And then he called me up and begged me to come back.
That guy was a trip to work for in many ways, but when everyone at the office (it was a very small office) ganged up on him to tell him he was being a fuckhead, he would usually see it their way.
Depends on the size and industry of the company usually, too. My boss, coworkers and I swear all the fucking time, but it’s literally 4 of us and we don’t interact with customers in person or over the phone.
Do you work in a church? In the real world, most adults are absolutely fine with profanity. This isn’t a professional email to corporate or a circular meant for the general public, it’s a text to a direct boss. “Fuck” isn’t outside established decorum here.
You and I have very different standards for how we speak to our bosses then.
It’s dystopian that so many people don’t have unlimited sick time.
Disagree. Any form of “unlimited” time off gets heavy scrutiny. I’d rather have a generous PTO policy than an unlimited one.
That said, it’s distopian that anyone needs to send proof of being sick. That’s a symptom of a really toxic work culture.
Maybe I’ve been lucky but in 10+ years of unlimited sick time, I’ve never been questioned about sick days.
Vacation time I think needs a minimum if you’re going to do unlimited, otherwise people aren’t sure what to take and may take less.
The worst policy I ever worked under was “limited sick days. Unused sick days get paid out as a bonus at the end of the year”. So everyone came in sick to get that sweet two weeks pay at the end of the year.
Yeah, that’s awful.
I much prefer a fixed amount of PTO to “unlimited” mostly because the culture of companies that offer unlimited seem to discourage actually taking time off, which can lead to burnout. Obviously every company is different, but I’d much rather have a decent fixed amount of time off vs something where I’d feel guilty for abusing it. I currently get like 3.5 weeks, which is pretty decent for my field, and I’ll get a bump to 4.5 weeks in a couple years.
I’ve heard tale of places that add the unused sick days to your retirement
Vacation time I think needs a minimum if you’re going to do unlimited, otherwise people aren’t sure what to take and may take less.
There’s no such thing as unlimited time off.
There are places that state they have “unlimited vacations” but I expect they will fire you if you take too many days off. A friend of mine has all the Fridays in the year off, plus the regular vacations.
Then it’s not unlimited and I’d rather just know how much time I can take off, than wondering if I’m skirting the limits.
I totally agree that it’s better to know in advance. But that’s part of the strategy it seems, you’re too afraid to push it, so you get too few
I don’t think a place like that exists I think OP’s friend is just lying to them to excuse why they got fired. I’ve never heard of a company with unlimited holidays but then fire somebody for taking them.
Nah, ey were not fired (yet?) and I also worked there before unlimited vacations became a thing, so I kinda think they may went that way. As was said somewhere around this comment with unlim you can guilt/fear your employees into working more and then not pay them unspent days.
Edit: clarity
I don’t know where these places are but pretty much every company will have a minimum number of hours you need to work a year (they usually define this as the maximum number of holidays you can take a year rather than the number of days you actually have to work, but it works out the same way) and they’ll tell you what those are, they can’t expect you to just guess.
For example i can take a maximum of 21 holiday days a year + however many days I am sick + national holidays.
Maybe although I am sure they have a very sketchy contract as they don’t adhere to regulations anyway
Right. Those with unlimited PTO take off only what they need, and not the strict number they get. Those with a set amount end up finding time to take off. It’s why companies moved over to “unlimited”. That, and the fact they don’t need to pay out your vacation when you leave.
No, they usually avoid taking time off even if they need it, because they get guilted into thinking it wouldn’t be approved or something, or that they’d be passed up for a promotion. Employers do it because it’s better for the company, not for the individual.
Unlimited? F’realz?
Don’t know where you live but in the Netherlands you just stay home when you’re sick, that’s it.
I believe after two weeks you need a doctor’s note.
And then you’ll get paid for up to two years of illness, after which you can apply with the government for further assistance.
So not unlimited, but quite long still.
I understand U.S. system is VERY VERY fucked up, three day sick leave is no where closed o enough; but I am quite confused of why people only need a doctor’s note after two weeks.
It seems quite reasonable if one haven’t recovered for a week (or been very sick for more than 3 days), it is best for them to see a doctor, especially with free health care in the Netherlands.
I think the idea is that you’re actually sick for a week, not “sick”. And can’t show them anything until you’re better. If you’ve ever been that sick, you know you can barely get out of bed to go to the bathroom.
It’s completely dependent on the job, and that’s a problem. Good jobs offer ample time off, bad jobs offer the bare legal minimum. Unfortunately the legal minimum is really oppressive and causes a lot of people to go into work sick, getting everyone else sick in the process.
In the US if you’re sick they can just fire you the first day you’re gone. It’s great, I hardly know what to do with all this freedumb I have.
Most jobs aren’t going to do that. They can technically fire you whenever they want, since it’s considered at-will employment, but the cost of finding and training a replacement usually lends some stability, even for low-level jobs.
I’ve had unlimited sick time via “if you’re not well stay home” for like ten years. One job had limited vacation time (15 days to start that went up to 25 as you gained seniority), but the others has unlimited vacation time, too.
These have been small/medium startups.
See u in 10.
Does this mean they have a 10 minute commute? I’m kinda jealous lol.
I had a 10 minute commute at my last job. It was definitely great, but it was also only reachable by car because almost the entire 10 minutes was highway driving and my job was in an industrial park that was only accessible from the highway, so it was car or nothing.
I used to live right across the street from my work. In fact, my apartment was closer than the parking lot, so I would be sitting on my couch before most of my coworkers even made it to their cars.
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That would be if that temperature was in Celsius, luckily it’s freedom units…
I thought it read 100°C lol
I still don’t know how I did it, but when I’d fake sick as a child my mom would leave the room for a bit while the thermometer stuck in my mouth, beneath my tongue. I would then breath the “hottest” air I could muster repeatedly from my lungs, believing that it would bring the thermometer up to fever levels… and it always worked.
Did I just have a really chill mom who recognized when I didn’t want to go? Or could this absurd method actually trick a traditional thermometer into going up?
Maybe it’s best that I don’t know, as I have a daughter now and it’s important to have her back when she needs needs a fuckin’ day.
Maybe got enough convective heat transfer
Pro tip, your hot water tap probably gets to like 120, you can mix it with cold to get 100-103 pretty easily.
Pro tip: any company that requires you to prove that you are “sick” in order to get a day off is a shitty company. Find another job.
Yea we can call out 8x before getting fired. It doesn’t matter the reason. I still have people calling in leaving messages with exaggerated symptoms in their voice and it’s like… Bruh I don’t give a shit just don’t do it 7 more times so I don’t have to fire you.
Just curious, is it 8x for the entire length someone is working there, or just 8x per year or something? Cause it’d seem kinda crazy to fire someone after 8 years for calling in once a year lol. Now that I think about it this is probably a stupid question
What I’m wondering is if being out sick for 2 or more days takes up your other call outs, or if it counts as one.
