• shreditdude0@lemmygrad.ml
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    19 days ago

    Chinese people got tired of watching people die on American streets, so they had to step in and do some humanitarian work.

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    19 days ago

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse. He should have been aware that it has been made illegal to feed the homeless in the US. He’s just lucky he was kidnapped by the local police and not ICE.

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      18 days ago

      I just want to chime in and say that this is a take most liberals would give with a straight face. Also how is the last sentence sarcasm. In the end I get why putting /s feels silly but it does not hurt.

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        19 days ago

        Sorry, I assumed the people on Lemmygrad were intelligent enough to recognize sarcasm without the use of a smiley face. My apologies.

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            I came up with an argument that shows me wrong, and you correct. I was being self-centered, and forgot that this is an international platform with many people using English as a second language. Nuance my not be in their wheelhouse. So, “/s” it is moving forward. Thanks for pointing out the errors and arrogance of my ways.

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              19 days ago

              You are having to explain the one that started this comment chain. You should seriously consider letting go and absorbing the feedback being offered to you.

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          There are ways to convey sarcasm through text alone. Your post made no attempt to convey any such undertones; it was completely straight-faced and delivered in a believable manner. It sounded like something someone would really say and believe unironically.

          But what do I know about written language and how it’s used? I’m just a writer.

          I apologize for being stupid. Clearly your superior intellect just made me feel inadequate.

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            18 days ago

            There are ways to convey sarcasm through text alone.

            I am also guilty of assuming sarcasm would be understood. Would you please detail some of the written ways to convey sarcastic intent without the sarcasm tag? Tyia

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              18 days ago

              Context is the most useful clue. If a take sounds absurd there’s a fairly high chance it’s meant to be interpreted exactly that way.

              e.g. “Man, I can’t wait to get bombed!”

              Does this sound like something a normal person would say? No, it sounds too outlandish to be believable. Could someone believe this unironically? Sure, but the odds aren’t likely. Most people don’t want to be bombed - never mind be excited at the prospect.

              Word choice also matters. Notice the choice of the first word: “man” being used as a casual expression, followed immediately by something horrific. It’s too nonchalant.

              Nobody enjoys being bombed, nobody wants to be bombed, and nobody would be so chill with the idea of being bombed. This isn’t behavior you’d see from normal people; so it’s easy to conclude that there are only two possibilities:

              1. The person saying this is actually insane.
              2. They’re being sarcastic.

              The latter is statistically more likely and tends to be the safest bet.

              This isn’t an exhaustive list of how to convey sarcasm through text but generally all you have to do is follow the basic logic of taking a serious topic and applying a non-serious take to it. The real trick is figuring out how outlandish what your saying sounds. Some things sound crazier to some people more than others, which is why it’s generally best to sound as silly as possible lest you be misunderstood - as happened here.

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                Tbh, though I appreciate your effort to explain how to make it clearer (it’s a solid breakdown on language use), I tend to be of the view that unless you really know your audience (ex: you’re speaking to a close friend who you can trust knows you and knows your tells for joking and serious) it’s almost always better to say outright whether you’re joking.

                One point made in this thread is that not doing so makes it more difficult for people on the autism spectrum. But it’s not only that. There’s a reason Poe’s law become an adage on the internet:

                The observation that, on the Internet, without a clear indication of the author’s intent, it is impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.

                In particular, in ideological spaces, there’s real risk that parody of reactionary views can be used as a means of laundering real reactionary views through irony poisoning:

                Irony poisoning is the process or altered state wherein one has a diminished capacity for distinguishing between one’s own genuine beliefs and ironic beliefs through an overuse of irony. This can manifest in either an inability to state one’s beliefs in a genuine way or genuinely echoing provocative sentiments they once held only ironically.

                Or through a process like that of what is sometimes called “Schrodinger’s douchebag”:

                Someone who is a jerk and decides whether they were joking or not based on how people reacted.

                I’ve been wanting to write a longer post on this subject for some time, but never quite got around to it. In general, it seems to me that the common western view on parody and satire, that it’s somehow more clever/valuable/compelling if it is not explicitly and openly called attention to as such, is rooted in elitism rather than effectiveness (e.g. the idea is that there are the ones who are “clever enough of mind” to get it and the ones who aren’t, and the ones who aren’t are supposed to be left out - otherwise, why not say what it is?). Sans elitism, the “why not specify” could have some validity in theory. For example, I could imagine a scenario where speech is so criminalized that using satire to speak in code may have some value. However, that’s generally not what people are dealing with on the western English-speaking internet; either speech is not criminalized to such a degree or when it is, satire doesn’t help as “code” because of how easily it can be mistaken for the real thing and the anonymity means you won’t generally speaking to people who know you in order to decipher your true meaning.

                Also tagging @Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml because I think it’s worth you considering this perspective on the subject.

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                Honestly, it seems like being vaporized may be the more merciful unchosen option, although that decision is not in the average hands, alone; but I get your meaning. Thanks.

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          Many* of us are on the autism spectrum or have symptom overlap from trauma related brain rewiring. We can undo most of it, but it seems literalism can be sticky.

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          18 days ago

          It’s not a matter of intellect. Do you realize how many neurodivergent people are ostracized into communist circles?

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          This is not a matter of how “intelligent” people are this is a factor of 1) trying to decipher what you are saying, especialy when all we have is a username and text. A tone indicator of some kind is helpful in deciphering your intention.

          also please refrain from calling or implying other users are not intelligent enough.

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          18 days ago

          tips fedora to a fellow redditor where is the narwhal bacon, my good sir?

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      18 days ago

      This is actually what I’ve heard said to my face by other Californians. It’s not as absurdist a statement unfortunately.