I’m a actually not that cynical of it. In her book she was critical of who the establishment in the Biden administration treated her.
Worse case is she’s endorsing him to make her self look good. But honestly I think it’s great she did endorse him. It will go a long way with causal/centrist democrats and centerist independents.
I’m taking the broad position that last-minute endorsements of Mamdani are just saving face for the establishment. That window closes in mid-October or so.
Nope. I’d rather have any Democrat in office than more Republicans. Your logic is how Gore lost the 2000 election. The Green votes for Nader were the decider. Gore wanted to address climate change 25 years ago.
Gore lost the legal cases. A few more votes in Florida from Democrats who didn’t apply purity tests and voted Green instead and the world would be a much better place.
It’s kinda how I feel about corporations supporting good things. People will point out that they’re only doing it for money or whatever, but I don’t care. If they all start supporting and normalizing good things, I don’t care that it started for dumb reasons.
I disagree. Does only the end goal matter? Or does intention also matter?
I would argue that intent is actually more important in the long run. I could perform an act today that helps people, but if my intent wasn’t to help people, then the act will be singular. There will be no “drive” toward greater acts that help even more people. No continuous improvement. No learning from mistakes and growing. Why? Because if I don’t actually care about helping people, none of that background stuff is happening which actually moves you toward your goals in the long run
I studied environmental sciences in school, so the metaphor I think of is that of indicator species, which provide information about the state of an ecosystem. For example, the presence of mayflies indicates good water quality, since poor water quality disrupts part of their lifecycle. Similarly, corporations supporting good things indicates that they feel it is profitable to do so. It indicates the state of public sentiment, and I don’t see how that’s anything but good news.
Same with Harris (indirectly) endorsing Mamdani: Maybe she’s just bending with the wind, but it’s good news because of the way the wind is blowing.
Depends on the company, for the most part i’m with you, but if say Monsanto and Phillip Moris are backing things, it makes you ponder what you don’t know and if it’s a bad thing.
Nobody believes her, just like nobody believes Hilary. The constant fence-hopping goes beyond someone learning new information and switching stances, its pure opportunism, and thus not genuine.
And honestly, her endorsing him is more a disservice in my eyes than helping him. She’s performed poorly and make others think that Mumdani is not genuine by association.
The difference between her and Hilary is that Harris is an avatar of the party, Hilary was (and still is to a lesser extent) a major player in the party
Harris is just like Biden… Her position is the party line. So if Harris is endorsing Mumdani, that signals some faction of the party might be finally waking up and realizing progressives are going to sweep the next election
As for the endorsement itself…I don’t think it dings Mumdani in any way. If anything, I think it just makes him look stronger, because he hasn’t budged an inch and the Democratic establishment is slowly coming to him
she and hochul are probably supporting him, to prevent too much support, takeover of the party from more progressive candidates, basically placating progressive to not do anything drastic.
With what leverage? Mumdani wins with zero support, a pattern that is repeating across the country with every new election
I’m sure they have the worst of intentions, but reality favors us. When they capitulate to our boy, they flirt with reality. And reality is left leaning
I’m a actually not that cynical of it. In her book she was critical of who the establishment in the Biden administration treated her.
Worse case is she’s endorsing him to make her self look good. But honestly I think it’s great she did endorse him. It will go a long way with causal/centrist democrats and centerist independents.
shes probably still looking for political career somewhere in the future, just not now.
I’m taking the broad position that last-minute endorsements of Mamdani are just saving face for the establishment. That window closes in mid-October or so.
Want change in the party This is how it happens. Purity tests leave you a political outsider. Welcome each endorsement and they can be reminded later.
Yeah but it’s still just PR to save face. Zohran can use all the endorsements he can get but let’s make sure these ghouls are replaced ASAP.
Nope. I’d rather have any Democrat in office than more Republicans. Your logic is how Gore lost the 2000 election. The Green votes for Nader were the decider. Gore wanted to address climate change 25 years ago.
I don’t think you understood my point. Your comment about preferring a Democrat over a Republican in office doesn’t make any sense.
Didn’t Gore win the 2000 election ? The Bush clan stole it and apparently the US just didn’t care much.
Gore lost the legal cases. A few more votes in Florida from Democrats who didn’t apply purity tests and voted Green instead and the world would be a much better place.
It’s kinda how I feel about corporations supporting good things. People will point out that they’re only doing it for money or whatever, but I don’t care. If they all start supporting and normalizing good things, I don’t care that it started for dumb reasons.
I disagree. Does only the end goal matter? Or does intention also matter?
I would argue that intent is actually more important in the long run. I could perform an act today that helps people, but if my intent wasn’t to help people, then the act will be singular. There will be no “drive” toward greater acts that help even more people. No continuous improvement. No learning from mistakes and growing. Why? Because if I don’t actually care about helping people, none of that background stuff is happening which actually moves you toward your goals in the long run
I studied environmental sciences in school, so the metaphor I think of is that of indicator species, which provide information about the state of an ecosystem. For example, the presence of mayflies indicates good water quality, since poor water quality disrupts part of their lifecycle. Similarly, corporations supporting good things indicates that they feel it is profitable to do so. It indicates the state of public sentiment, and I don’t see how that’s anything but good news.
Same with Harris (indirectly) endorsing Mamdani: Maybe she’s just bending with the wind, but it’s good news because of the way the wind is blowing.
Depends on the company, for the most part i’m with you, but if say Monsanto and Phillip Moris are backing things, it makes you ponder what you don’t know and if it’s a bad thing.
Worse case is she’s going to insincerely try to take on the appearance of a progressive
But she’s just one of many figures being groomed to do this, so hopefully it just helps cement Mumdani as the spiritual leader of the party
Worst case is he made a bunch of centrist concessions to get her on board, leaving him as just another establishment dem.
No shot…He has nothing to gain there, he’s leading by massive numbers and his eyes aren’t empty and soulless
But that would put out the last spark of hope within me if it did happen
Nobody believes her, just like nobody believes Hilary. The constant fence-hopping goes beyond someone learning new information and switching stances, its pure opportunism, and thus not genuine.
And honestly, her endorsing him is more a disservice in my eyes than helping him. She’s performed poorly and make others think that Mumdani is not genuine by association.
The difference between her and Hilary is that Harris is an avatar of the party, Hilary was (and still is to a lesser extent) a major player in the party
Harris is just like Biden… Her position is the party line. So if Harris is endorsing Mumdani, that signals some faction of the party might be finally waking up and realizing progressives are going to sweep the next election
As for the endorsement itself…I don’t think it dings Mumdani in any way. If anything, I think it just makes him look stronger, because he hasn’t budged an inch and the Democratic establishment is slowly coming to him
she and hochul are probably supporting him, to prevent too much support, takeover of the party from more progressive candidates, basically placating progressive to not do anything drastic.
With what leverage? Mumdani wins with zero support, a pattern that is repeating across the country with every new election
I’m sure they have the worst of intentions, but reality favors us. When they capitulate to our boy, they flirt with reality. And reality is left leaning