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“The resolution suggests that all anti-Zionism—it states—is antisemitism. That’s either intellectually disingenuous or just factually wrong,” said New York Representative Jerry Nadler, who voted present. “The authors if they were at all familiar with Jewish history & culture should know about Jewish anti-Zionism that was and is expressly not antisemitic. This resolution ignores the fact that even today, certain Orthodox Hasidic Jewish communities … have held views that are at odds with the modern Zionist conception.”
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Anti-Zionism is not antisemitic.
Lumping in all Jewish people with the genocidal apartheid ethnostate absolutely is.
Jews don’t all agree, nor should they but to the vast majority of them people saying that the Jewish homeland shouldn’t exist, with the history of Jews being ethnically cleansed from the dozen countries they have been, is a very Antisemitic position to take.
With the uptick in hate crimes against Jews, with the words of college Presidents making it clear that calling for the death of Jews isn’t problematic enough for punishment it’s just making Jews feel even more strongly that Israel needs to exist and Zionism is self preservation.
If you have a problem with Israel existing and not with any other country, the question of why should probably be explored. They’re not the only country that’s been established in the past 100 years nor are they the only one that’s the result of the British drawing lines thru historical homelands.
Like 2 months ago the only time I heard the word Zionist was in my world religions class, now I guess the entire world is suddenly run by them.
I’m not sure why the distinction is that important. If you’re anti-zionist in 2023, you’re calling for the destruction or deportation of 40% of the jews on this planet. It’s not quite the same as calling for the destruction or deportation of 100% of the jews, that’s for sure, but it’s not great either.
If freedom of speech is paramount, then speaking these things should be legal, like it should then be legal to call for the destruction of any other group of humans, animals, plants or whatevers. As it should be legal to publically denounce such speech, or get repercussions from saying such things.
If you’re anti-zionist in 2023, you’re calling for the destruction or deportation of 40% of the jews on this planet.
Failure to support one ethnic cleansing does not mean that you support another. It is possible to support no ethnic cleansing.
I’m sure that’s possible, but it seems like no demonstrations are asking for that.
It’s kind of a major self-report when people are straight up incapable of imagining the possibility of a secular democratic state with more than one ethnicity/religion. Like it never even occurred to you as an option or possibility.
I’m sure people like that exist somewhere, but what does that have to do with the discussion or Israel?
Use some context clues, I think you can figure it out. I believe in you!
Just 14 lawmakers voted against the resolution
No wonder it passed
This is ridiculous, the first anti zionists were all Jewish. Some were even assassinated for their views. Zionism should not be conflated with Jewishness at all.
Unfortunately, that’s too nuanced a presentation of facts for most people to digest. No one actually knows anything about history anymore.
- Alma Adams (NC)
- Colin Allred (TX)
- Gabe Amo (RI)
- Jake Auchincloss (MA)
- Ami Bera (CA)
- Sanford D. Bishop Jr. (GA)
- Lisa Blunt Rochester (DE)
- Julia Brownley (CA)
- Nikki Budzinski (IL)
- Yadira Caraveo (CO)
- Salud Carbajal (CA)
- Matt Cartwright (PA)
- Kathy Castor (FL)
- Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (FL)
- Steve Cohen (TN)
- Jim Costa (CA)
- Joe Courtney (CT)
- Angie Craig (MN)
- Jason Crow (CO)
- Henry Cuellar (TX)
- Don Davis (NC)
- Rosa DeLauro (CT)
- Chris Deluzio (PA)
- Anna Eshoo (CA)
- Lizzie Fletcher (TX)
- Lois Frankel (FL)
- Maxwell Frost (FL)
- Ruben Gallego (AZ)
- Jared Golden (ME)
- Vicente Gonzalez (TX)
- Josh Gottheimer (NJ)
- Josh Harder (CA)
- Jahana Hayes (CT)
- Brian Higgins (NY)
- Jim Himes (CT)
- Steven Horsford (NV)
- Steny Hoyer (MD)
- Jared Huffman (CA)
- Jeff Jackson (NC)
- William Keating (MA)
- Derek Kilmer (WA)
- Ann Kuster (NH)
- Greg Landsman (OH)
- John Larson (CT)
- Susie Lee (NV)
- Mike Levin (CA)
- Stephen Lynch (MA)
- Kathy Manning (NC)
- Doris Matsui (CA)
- Kweisi Mfume (MD)
- Joe Morelle (NY)
- Jared Moskowitz (FL)
- Seth Moulton (MA)
- Frank J. Mrvan (IN)
- Richard Neal (MA)
- Joe Neguse (CO)
- Wiley Nickel (NC)
- Donald Norcross (NJ)
- Frank Pallone Jr. (NJ)
- Jimmy Panetta (CA)
- Chris Pappas (NH)
- Bill Pascrell Jr. (NJ)
- Mary Peltola (AK)
- Marie Gluesenkamp Pérez (WA)
- Scott Peters (CA)
- Brittany Pettersen (CO)
- Mike Quigley (IL)
- C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger (MD)
- Adam Schiff (CA)
- Brad Schneider (IL)
- Hillary Scholten (MI)
- Kim Schrier (WA)
- David Scott (GA)
- Terri Sewell (AL)
- Brad Sherman (CA)
- Elissa Slotkin (MI)
- Adam Smith (WA)
- Eric Sorensen (IL)
- Darren Soto (FL)
- Abigail Spanberger (VA)
- Melanie Stansbury (NM)
- Greg Stanton (AZ)
- Haley Stevens (MI)
- Eric Swalwell (CA)
- Emilia Sykes (OH)
- Shri Thanedar (MI)
- Mike Thompson (CA)
- Dina Titus (NV)
- Norma Torres (CA)
- Ritchie Torres (NY)
- David Trone (MD)
- Juan Vargas (CA)
- Marc Veasey (TX)
- Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL)
- Frederica Wilson (FL)
“The resolution suggests that all anti-Zionism – it states – is antisemitism. That’s either intellectually disingenuous or just factually wrong,” said New York Representative Jerry Nadler, who voted present.
…and who also happens to be Jewish.
By the way, the timing of this bill is not a coincidence:
AIPAC Throws Millions at Possible Insurgent Campaigns to Unseat Progressive Democrats
In a mounting offensive by AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, to unseat progressives who speak up for Palestinian rights, Westchester County Executive George Latimer, who has been courted by AIPAC, announced earlier today he is launching a primary challenge against New York Congressmember Jamaal Bowman.
The frustrating thing is that if you find an “anti-Zionist” online and scratch the surface just a little bit, it’s almost 100% of the time an antisemitic white supremacist wearing anti-Zionism as a veneer, so it’s kind of an understandable mistake.
But it’s still a mistake, and they should know better.
Edit: Wow, I guess this struck a nerve. But it’s true, most of the time - not all the time - people who call themselves “anti-Zionists” online also use (((parentheses))) around the word “globalist.”
As BraveSirZaphod aptly points out, it’s a pointless word these days. Better to use a phrase like, “opposed to the current Israeli government,” which would - again, as BraveSirZaphod points out - put you in company with the majority of Israelis.
Can you name one of these people?
Are you just going around to all my old comments and responding to them? Why?
Hi, anti-Zionist here - feel free to scratch deeply bc that’s a pretty terrible take. Israeli people from my experience have been generally nice, and I don’t hate anyone based on their race or religion (though I generally do not like organized religion for a wide variety of reasons). Israel has a right to exist, it doesn’t have a right to wantonly crush Palestinian people under it’s boot and that’s all it’s doing at this point, along with attempting to hide and/or discredit any criticism of their part in this (had Netanyahu and his cronies not funded even more extremists in Hamas or taken the threat of an attack seriously, this all likely wouldn’t have happened). Or do you really accept as accidental that they’ve killed more journalists per day than almost any major conflict?
Israel has a right to exist
Under most definitions of Zionism, you are a Zionist. When the term was coined, it referred to the idea that the Jews should move to Israel and establish some kind of formal community.
Of course, now Israel does exist, so that original frame of reference no longer exists and the term generally means “a perspective towards Israel that matches or opposes what I think”.
At the beginning, opposing Zionism would mean that you don’t think Jews should move back to the Levant. Of course, that did happen, so now what? Perhaps it means you think that Israel should remain at its current borders and not expand, but is that really anti-Zionism when it’s literally the accomplishment of the Zionist mission? Or perhaps anti-Zionism is the belief that Jews should be forcibly removed from Israel or killed. That is unquestionably anti-Zionist, but it’s also blatantly genocidal.
Basically, Zionism is a pointless term today and no one should use it. If you oppose Israel’s current government - a perspective shared by most Israelis it should be noted - just say that, and consider avoiding a term that some people will plausibly interpret as advocating for their genocide.
