TimmyDeanSausage

According to their big boy story book, god killed the entire human race once because he gave them free will and didn’t like how they turned out. That’s supposed to be the actions of a just god…

My and my SO’s grandparents have all moved on from fox to the daily wire. :/

Found it!

https://youtu.be/NTw5wkS29Sc

While I generally agree, I would still be extremely skeptical of those changes coming from the people that have spent the last 60 years sliding us into a situation were we desperately need those changes. If that was the play, I would see it as a decades long scam with the intent being to purchase legitimacy with a lie. The logical conclusion being they want absolute power and see a working strategy to obtain that by following in the nazi’s footsteps, with some modern revisions.

Well, it started with Victor Frankl’s Man’s Search For Meaning, which is more about what happened after the coup, until nazi’s downfall. Then, I read parts of The Third Reich by Thomas Childers, which prompted a documentary watch and I haven’t gone much further than that. But both of those books are amazing and very informative. I can try to find that documentary too, if you’re interested.

To expand on this for the unaware: Hitler came back into power for his second term in 1932. His first term, similar to trumps, was rife with turmoil and political/administrative blunders. One of the first things he did, upon returning to power, was a German version of The New Deal. They massively invested in their country’s infrastructure and provided tens of millions of jobs for the young working class, who had been suffering the worst unemployment crisis in an age. For the first time in their lives, young Germans had good jobs (with great benefits) and were contributing towards building a better, cleaner, safer Germany, all facilitated by “the national socialist party”. This was the part of nazi history that actually included socialism, and it’s how the nazi party duped an entire generation into becoming their foot soldiers. They actually delivered substantive, positive change for the people, allowed people to get comfortable with the new status quo while they further built propaganda machines, then turned that status quo into a carrot on a stick. Young nazi’s were very fearful of a backslide, so when nazi propaganda started saying all these bad people were trying to take away their newfound financial freedom, it was very easy to convince these young, relatively ignorant, working class people to “defend” the country they proudly built with their own hands.

If the GOP did a 180° on all of their economic policy, of the last 60+ years, to follow a similar story arc, I would be extremely concerned. With how down-trodden our 3 youngest generations are, the conditions for an American copy of nazi Germany couldn’t be more perfect than they are right now.

I’m not a historian. I just read a book on this subject recently. Feel free to correct or add to anything I got wrong/missed!

I think this is what makes our propaganda machine the most affective one in the world. China and Russia beat their citizens into submission, while the US breeds true believers from birth and use them to beat the rest of the population into submission so affectively the non-believers can’t fight the ruling class because their hands are tied fighting with the cult of self-imposed calamity.

You didn’t answer the question. You repeated your assertion that you’re more intelligent then (apparently) all working class people, yet you don’t seem capable of producing a coherent argument explaining why you believe that?

Well… We’re having this discussion on a text based website… Clearly, both of us can read. Unfortunately, in your case, reading ability doesn’t correlate with comprehension ability.

And all I do is resent the billionaire class, who are actively extracting all of our wealth. I didn’t ask about your feelings though. I asked why you think the recent election justifies blatant classism against the working class.

Who exactly is “you people”?

I’m working class and I very much want to look out for myself. I didn’t vote for this. I vote for the most progressive candidates I can every 2 years. Do I deserve to suffer the consequences of others actions?

Why does this news justify blatant classism for you?

Those poor kids only knew indoctrination, then death. What a shame. I wonder how many of their Christian parents voted for this reality. How many more will play a part in their own kids deaths?

No… I’m not. Governing people and leading people are the same thing. I’m referencing doing it at two different scales. As you go up in scale, the rules change. Things like authoritarianism, socialism, libertarianism and communism work for small groups of people, but not when you start getting into populations in the millions.

It’s not irrelevant. They’re saying that the people you hold up as some kind of supremely enlightened few of a special era, were in fact products of their time who believed in a lot of silly things with no basis in science/reality, and committed many atrocities themselves.

I was a die-hard libertarian when I was 18. Then I learned a lot more about how the government actually functions. The more you know, the more painfully obvious it becomes that, not only is democratic government extremely necessary to support a civilization of our size, but also that uncoordinated government is literally impossible at scale. Try to lead a group of 20+ people in any activity and the importance of coordinated leadership will become evident very quickly.

Is your point that this is fear mongering, or that the struggle between classes has been an ongoing fight for most of recorded history?

In other words; a bunch of ultra wealthy nepo-babies with the IQ/EQ comparable to the average 14 year old boy are hanging out at a luxury country club deciding the future of our nation, and despite having collectively been in the game for almost a decade, they still have no idea what they’re doing.

We’ve come full circle, back to the “founding fathers” in terms of letting the wealthy few decide our future, yet our modern cast of wealthy few are wealthy fools who likely wouldn’t survive a week without their personal assistants.

One party gets into power and throws shit everywhere. The other party gets into power and cleans as much shit as they can, but it’s on the ceiling and seeping into the walls. They never get all of it. Often they only get a small amount of it. It’s never the shit thrower’s fault though. Both parties are covered in shit.

I have never once heard an elected democratic politician (or serious candidate) speak against the 2nd amendment or even allude to repealing it. The only conversation I have personally seen/heard surrounding “gun control” is all about background checks/red flag laws which are supported by the majority of democratic and republican voters in every poll I’ve seen. All of the so-called “anti2a” rhetoric comes from the right in the form of fear mongering. That is to say (with no intention of being condescending), maybe stop listening to what right wing news outlets and politicians say Democrat’s are saying and just listen to what democrats are actually saying… You might be surprised at how sensible their ideas actually are on this issue.

Potentially losing your job would be part of the risk/sacrifice a potential candidate would have to accept. Yes, it would be difficult for someone living paycheck to paycheck to do this. Ideally, election reform like this would go hand in hand with economic reform that leads us to a society in which much less people are living paycheck to paycheck. This could happen easily if we start electing real people instead of rich people only.

One option is to publicly fund candidates equally. In such a system someone could apply to run for a position, the position would require a specified amount of people to nominate that person, if that person is nominated they get a grant that covers their campaign costs. The amount wouldn’t be excessive so campaigns would look very different than they do now in places like the US.

Another option is to limit campaign donations from any individual to $100 total. This would force politicians to put effort into building a grassroots campaign while keeping big moneyed interests out of the process.

When politicians get into a position of power, they should be paid enough that they’re firmly in the upper middle class, so they’re comfortable and less likely to accept bribes, and they should not be given any opportunity to accept bribes or profit off of their position in any way.

Did you read their entire comment?

The government income and pension should be enough to live on so that these issues can be avoided.