silverpill

>the Fediverse today lacks any kind of commerce

This is not true. I already told you about that when you published a promotional post about subclub (which didn’t last), but now you’re saying it again. Why?

@fediverse

Boards are actors, and every message on the board is attributed to the board actor.

I think it would be easier to make it interoperate with microblogs than with forum-like software.

@fediverse

This is what ActivityPub client-to-server API was designed for.

Most servers don’t implement it, but some do:

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/delightful-fediverse-apps/issues/130

Clients are even harder to find, and none of them are good, AFAIK

@fediverse

FChannel is a federated anonymous imageboard powered by ActivityPub:

https://github.com/anomalous69/FChannel

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@Paddy66 The work on data portability is documented in this Fediverse Enhancement Proposal (FEP):

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md

You can find the list of implementations there (built by me and @mikedev).

For logging with a single ID into multiple apps, standard ActivityPub Client-to-Server API can be used, but I don’t know any production-ready application that utilizes Client-to-Server API in such way.

The alternative is this FEP:

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ae97/fep-ae97.md

It’s a re-design of Client-to-Server API based on FEP-ef61.

@activitypub

@AnonomousWolf @fediverse

Looks reasonable overall, but I don’t understand some of your assessments.

>Easy (Leverage email hosting services)

What are those email hosting services? If hosting and maintenance are delegated to 3rd parties, that doesn’t count towards decentralization.

>Top Provider User Share: Reddit ≈ 48.4%

Why this is not 100%?

>Very Easy: One-command Docker,

I think the easiest option is distro’s default package manager – docker is additional layer of complexity. Also some services are nearly impossible to self-host without docker, and points should be subtracted if that is the case.

@Teknevra It can be done with FEP-ae97:

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ae97/fep-ae97.md

Which enables shared identity and seamless migration as you describe, but I don’t think traditional web login needs to be abandoned. Fediverse will support both types of identities.

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@Fitik @Teknevra Tipping will also be supported in the future (in addition to subscriptions).

And people on other platforms may put addresses in profile fields (Lemmy doesn’t have them yet?). Mitra displays a donation icon when address is detected (the name of the field should be like $BTC).

@fediverse

@Irelephant @activitypub Yes, IP addresses are often used in development and testing environments. I haven’t seen such servers in the global network though

@5dh @fediverse Financial incentive is not the only possible cause. If project leaders stop listening to their users for some other reason, you’ll get the same result.
And there is another, more subtle problem: protocol bloat. Fediverse services are getting more and more complicated, and the cost of creating a new platform is constantly increasing. If this problem is not addressed, at some point Fediverse will start looking like a web browser market, where new players can’t compete due to an immense implementation complexity.

@deadsuperhero @fediverse @quillmatiq Protocols described in these FEPs are currency-agnostic and developers can build actual platforms and solutions on them (as I did). This is the only ongoing effort to bring a payment layer to the Fediverse - there are no alternative proposals. FEP-8c3f was withdrawn in favor of FEP-0ea0.

Okay, you didn’t know about it. But now you do and it would be nice to include at least some of that information in the article.

@deadsuperhero @fediverse You cite an abandoned project and withdrawn WebMonetization FEP and then say “most efforts have not advanced beyond the planning stages”. This statement is misleading because those planning stages are far behind us. Mitra had subscriptions since 2022 and there are other projects that provide monetization options, like PeerTube Lightning plugin and PeerTube Premium Users plugin. FEP-0ea0 and FEP-0837 were published and implemented. Your co-author @quillmatiq should be well aware of these developments because we talked about it

@deadsuperhero @fediverse

Why did’t you mention Mitra, the open source and fully decentralized Fediverse service that also offers paid subscriptions, and which has been around for several years?

@maegul @fediverse Some ActivityPub implementations already work as social media browsers. For example, my server can interact with microblogs, but also forums, blogs, events etc. The more activity / object types are supported, the closer software is to a browser.

@c0mmando Nice. Can confirm, it is working.

@Ferminho @maegul This proposal describes a very simple marketplace, and some things were intentionally left out. However, it is based on Valueflows system which can be used to describe many different economic processes, including planning, production and transportation:

https://www.valueflo.ws/introduction/core/

So developers may use object types and properties defined there if they want to build something more complicated. And social interactions can be represented as standard ActivityPub activities. I think Valueflows and ActivityPub nicely complement each other.