No. We have been allowed defacto since 2013 and officially since 2016, but have been in the military the whole time.

…no? According to SPARTA over 76% of trans people in the military have been there for at least fifteen years

I know about Hexbear and wanted to mention that it was a Hexbear user but this ironically happened just a moment after I made my own Hexbear account. I know some of the users there are extreme, particularly that user, but the community overall I find worth it.

That said I have to wonder what you mean when you say to avoid getting in trouble and to stay safe. Is there a history of people being harassed or harmed by those groups?

Yep, and it wouldn’t be very far back in my history if you want to see it. My last comment in that convo started with “ugh”. I was talking about transgender issues with someone who was extremely argumentative and kept strawmanning my beliefs so I told them in no uncertain terms that I was done with the conversation and blocked them. Later I decided to unblock them and discovered that they had replied not only to that final comment continuing to tell me I’m a bad person for their strawman interpretation of what I said, but to another comment I made in a different thread.

So this person who is actively insulting me also has the ability to follow me around and continue insulting me, and blocking them just makes me unable to defend myself.

Actual functional user blocking. I don’t want users being able to see my comments and reply to them when I have blocked them and I was totally surprised when they did.

Unlike reddit I am pretty sure we can edit titles on Lemmy

Can you give a summary of why that is?

Yes, I agree. Particularly when it isn’t just rehabilitative and is punitive.

There are fates worse than death, you’re right. But I think you would be one of the few who would prefer it to prison as it currently exists. But I think a sub point you have made is that prison is tantamount to torture, and I in some ways agree with that, which is why I say that non-rehabilitory prisons are unethical. It’s also the model in the entire US.

That is frankly a disgusting point of view. Death and non-rehabilitory imprisonment are both wrong but not because it “costs money”.

This is clearly from an incredibly privileged person, because if you understood how minoritized people are treated by the legal system you wouldn’t be arguing for more executions.

Ugh. Seriously? It’s just a chart attempting to simplify people’s gender identity and I even said I see it as more 3D and complex than it is. I’m not going to discuss the merits of the chart. I deleted the whole part about the stupid chart because it doesn’t matter and I don’t care to defend it.

This conversation is over. You pivoted because you know your baseless accusations have been disproven. In the future, try not to be such an annoying asshole when you simply don’t understand someone else’s viewpoint. Goodbye.

Ah. So you’re misunderstanding what I mean by it being biological in nature. It being biological doesn’t mean that there are only two or anything like that. Gender, physical sex, and sexuality, (and probably damn near everything that goes in to who a person is) is on a multiaxal spectrum and people inhabit different areas of this. Those different areas appear to be determined by processes during fetal development. You can be born without sexuality but it is also biological in nature. Does this clarify the confusion here?

… Are you being intentionally obtuse? I never fucking said I don’t believe in a gender or gender fluidity. I keep saying I do and you keep saying I don’t. The only reason haven’t just blocked your ass and moved on is because I know you are generally a good faith poster from experience… Not the rest? Are you fucking serious? Please, try not to be this way. This is embarrassing.

I believe they are trans and that they are the gender they say they are (or have no gender), and I believe they can be fluid or not or anywhere between. Why the hell you think otherwise is your own evidently terrible reading comprehension.

I don’t believe they are correct if they say they were made trans by external forces. That is IT. I said I don’t necessarily believe very aspect of their narrative about how they became trans because people generally aren’t that self aware. I had a conversation with a trans person in this very thread where they said they believed they were made trans and by the end of it they realized they were wrong. And I didn’t at any point tell them that their gender was wrong or that they weren’t trans, because I would never do that.

This is the last time I’m going to bother with you: Quote two statements I made that contradict, not via your own special interpretation but statements I have made and will defend, or kindly leave me alone. Stop being a fucking troll.

Edit: fwiw my app doesn’t show display names or I would have probably assumed you were trans. Sorry about thinking you were cis. Sorry if this gives you dysphoria when you see my username in the future. Feel absolutely more than free to just block me to prevent that. If you come back with the same tired shit I will be blocking you after this. Oh, and feel free to block @june@hexbear.net as well as I might start using that soon.

… Did I say I don’t believe their stated gender?

You’re being extremely obnoxious about what you perceived to be a contradiction because you keep making shit up about what I believe. I already told you I didn’t want to continue this discussion twice. I would rather not block you but this is getting ridiculous.

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I certainly can believe all trans people are trans while not believing that they are necessarily correct about their views of when or how they became trans. I didn’t say I believe every aspect of the narrative they will about their gender. People aren’t that self aware.

Sorry I assumed you were cis. Nothing you said implied otherwise, you never talked about your experience with gender and referred to trans people in a way that made it sound like you weren’t a part of them. This conversation isn’t going to go anywhere because you are insistent on telling me what I believe and don’t care when I say otherwise. I don’t believe in all that stuff you said I do. I will know to avoid the topic of gender when I see you on this website in the future as well. Goodbye.

AGP = autogynophilia: the idea that a person is a trans woman due to a sexual interest in having a vagina

HSTS = Homosexual Transexual: the idea that a person is a trans woman due to being a homosexual male, in other words that they are transitioning in order to have sex with straight men

Trutrans sounds like it just means “valid” as in they will claim a lot of trans women aren’t trans women unless they are trutrans. Also, it may be those who insist that some are not actually trans because they say they don’t experience gender dysphoria or because they don’t want general surgery.

All of which are old, unsupported, and frankly regressive ideas.

Those are a lot of new words. I kind of want to ask, but I kind of don’t want to know

I believe all trans people. I do believe that all trans people have gender dysphoria (otherwise there wouldn’t be a reason to transition) though many do not recognize it and believe they are trans (which they are) but do not experience dysphoria (which they do). Think of this in a pure motivation sense. One does not make major life changes without something informing that decision, which is what dysphoria is.

I am seriously interested in gender abolitionist takes that aren’t just abolishing the strict roles/styles/behaviors affiliated with gender. I don’t think you can provide this, because gender abolitionists do believe people have an intrinsic gender (or rather, one may have an intrinsic gender, wrt agender individuals) they just don’t believe that one’s gender should be defined by someone else and that a lot of the roles and behaviors attributed to gender are regressive and need abolished. To which I agree. I am a woman but I am not gender conforming (rarely wear dresses or skirts, present relatively butch, and reject all gender roles).

Your rigid line of thinking here could easily convince someone that conversion therapy is a reasonable treatment for gender dysphoria, which it most certainly is not. Because why would it not be, if it could work? My answer to that is that my intrinsic gender is too much a part of me to rip out: you can’t change my gender. I would not be me if you tore my gender out of me.

Frankly, I’m kind of growing tired of discussing trans issues with cis people, especially when they keep telling me I’m biased (“I know why you’re so defensive about this”). I have a gender, if you don’t then that is good for you, but you can’t take my gender from me. Please genuinely consider that this is based on my life experiences, whereas your view is informed second hand on others’ lived experiences, if you wish to continue this discussion with me.