

I don’t understand what the personal attacks were about, but bye.


I don’t understand what the personal attacks were about, but bye.


And no matter what sources I bring you will not change your mind. That makes two of us. Have a nice day.


I’m not going to rewatch a whole documentary to give you what you want. I did my research and made up my mind. What you believe or don’t believe is none of my business. You are the one who is continuing this argument here.


So. What he plead guilty to and what he stated both in court and later in interview are not necessarily about what he plead guilty to.


I didn’t fall for anything. If anything, like you I originally believe exactly what you are saying and was presented with more information that changed my mind. I am not okay with people being in possession of materials that depict child sexual acts (yeah, I do not care if they 6 or 16, that’s still not okay).
I don’t care if you think it’s rude. You started an argument here over something that you won’t even admit was stated by the person who was accused and won’t even touch that statement except to claim it was in some way coerced without proof and while not acknowledging that he doesn’t recant that statement and in fact repeats it later on.
You don’t even have to agree with me. You’re clearly very angry about this and that’s a you problem. I didn’t just make this decision to change my mind blindly. I went through a lot of trouble to read a lot about the subject in order to make up my mind.


I am judging a man based on what he has admitted. I am acknowledging that the states hands aren’t clean in this and that I absolutely believe that he was targeted but that doesn’t change the facts.


Then go die on that hill. I’m not stopping you.


I never claimed there were any accusations of Paul Reubens abusing children. I said the exact opposite.
Additionally my point in bringing up Michael Jackson (and only when you did) was to point out that the court of public opinion took over and the actual court system didn’t even press charges against him. These two people don’t have a whole lot in common except that the court of public opinion played judge, jury, and executioner without the actual court system ever proving their crimes.
Being gay doesn’t mean you are a good person. It doesn’t somehow absolve you of any wrong doing ever.
Paul Reubens has addressed this in his own words and that is what I am basing my thoughts on. Not what the court says he did, but what he said he did. If you skipped over the part where I blatantly stated that I don’t believe he was a a pedophile that’s on you.


It’s incredibly funny you bring up Michael Jackson because there’s quite a lot of controversy around whether or not the testimony about his acts towards children are even true because the stories don’t match up and at least one of the people who accused him has since recanted.
But go off.


Two things can be true at once. One does not negate the other.


I know. I’ve read that article and several others on this topic.
You will note that I didn’t call him a pedophile because that’s not the problem I have with him. I don’t believe he was a pedophile. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t caught in possession of items depicting sexual acts of minors and that is exactly what I am pointing out. I am not claiming that he abused children or that he had any urges to do so. I am pointing out that he admitted to knowing that such images were in the collection (when previously news outlets reported and the public was led to believe he did not know his collection contained the images).
You can stop quoting whole articles I have already read to me.
Reubens turned himself in, admitting that he did contain pictures and other materials that had the minors engaging in sexual pursuits but his representative added that the objective was to add the pieces as a part of his ‘art collection.’


Unfortunately while I do agree with you that he was the victim of anti-gay policing, the main problem is that he has also been accused of having CSAM materials and my understanding is that this happened because another person who was also accused of possessing what at the time were called child pornographic materials had ratted him out.
He took a plea deal (confessing to a lesser charge).
I was even willing to go as far as to believe that this was an attempt to persecute him, but the fact that he admitted to owning and knowing about those images (when previously I had understood it as he didn’t know the images were contained in a collection of porn he bought) is why I make the distinction.


I’m not a metal head. I enjoy some metal music but that scene isn’t one that I feel like I belong in.
But I think there is something to be said for the types of open secrets that exist in Hollywood and the music industry (specifically the American music industry).
R. Kelly abused, assault groomed, and harmed women for years. It was such an open secret that a lot of the Black community in Chicago knew and at least some of those people were complicit. To the point where they were still offering up their under aged daughters to this predator in the hopes that he could get them their big break.
This all was happening long after Aaliyah and her teen marriage to him while he was a grown man. That news was known and authenticated as fact and people still did this.
Other artists still made music with him. He wrote songs about what he’d done, including writing Aaliyah’s songs, several of which implicated him.
There was a lot of talk about “separating the music from the artist” when he was finally sentenced. I drew a line in the sand at that point with both family and friends because it was not okay to me. At the point where the artist is writing music about what they did there is no separating art from the artist.
It seems like this scenario where a popular artist does something terrible and that has been general public knowledge or rumor for a long time ends up becoming a well publicized scandal, there are always going to be people who ape for them regardless of what they have done. We have seen that specifically with P Diddy and Cosby, and Michael Jackson (who I will admit has a questionable chain of events implicating him at best). We saw it with Pee Wee Herman both before and after his death.
It happens because some people don’t want to admit that something they like is problematic. They feel compromised by proxy and they actively avoid that shame and guilt they feel for “enabling a monster” by completely avoiding confronting it. To some extent it’s… clique mechanics. To some extent I think it’s human nature.
I’d also be willing to bet that a lot of people who don’t pay any attention to celebrity news just don’t know.
There are a lot of music artists who have done terrible things and are still popular. Al Green was a wife beater. Marvin Gay was a serial cheater.
Everyone knows the story about Tina Turner and Ike Turner, but would we know that story if it hadn’t been turned into a movie?
I think Sting from the Police cheated on his wife and stole his band mates wife or girlfriend.
My point is, I’m sure there’s some malice involved in people continuing to support Manson. But I would bet a lot of people just aren’t aware of a lot of what he’s accused of (including the newest allegations - this is the first I’ve heard or them).
I’d bet more people are just ignorant than anything else.


The subscriptions feed shows things in chronological order. It makes it harder to scroll to find things you want to watch if those things aren’t new (like if you discover a channel that’s older and not producing much new content, or a channel with a backlog of older content you haven’t seen). I swap back and forth for this reason.
You could try a hooded cape and or robe. I think that might technically be allowed.


From what I know (never bought a kindle) it seems like the modding scene for older kindles is alive and well. I think a channel called damnitJeff does a breakdown of the firmwares and mods available. Worth a look if you’ve got a kindle that hasn’t been turned on in awhile and you want to mod it so they can’t brick it.


I use interstellar and when I view a post that’s been cross posted it shows all comments and replies from all cross posts regardless of which crosspost I click on.
Is that what you’re looking for?


Someone says something controversial or scary to drum up media hype to keep the hype train moving. Other CEO’s jump on board (to try to spin the news to make it seem like they’re being responsible by not developing their product for “safety reasons” when in fact it’s because they can’t), Lead CEO then comes out and makes a statement trying to spin it the other way also to keep the hype train going and convince us they have it under control.
I can’t wait for the crash and burn.


This is honestly a really good idea.
Just like the Pixel Book and Chromebook pixel before it this is going to flop and end up in the graveyard. High-end Chromebooks just aren’t a thing anybody really wants. If you want to game on a device or do game streaming there are better options that aren’t as locked down. Who is this for?