Odd. I see some examples of “ah yes, men always do just this” peppering the discussion. And if somone comments on the tone of it? We get some pretty harsh reaponses. Quite a bit of duality, don’t you think?
playing coy like this just makes you look like a redditor.
Insulting me for making an observation doesn’t strengthen your argument.
If you are going out of your way to make that your focal point… and avoiding the topics at hand you’re clearly out of your depth and flailing. But that was apparent when you defaulted to… Well… what youre doing again, hah.
… Or hey maybe you just sent the reply before getting to the actual discussion points? I eagerly await the rest of your post where you refute the actual talking points I made.
Nah, honestly I just didn’t engage with the rest of what you said because you demonstrated that you were going to take very mild criticism of your transparent behavior as a harsh personal insult.
If you’re really looking forward to it, I’d ask you to go and tally up the number of people saying “yes, all men are like this” compared to the commenters like yourself that are rejecting both the entire premise as even conceptually valid along with the possibility of this being based on an experience. Thus far, and I admit it’s a cursory reading, I have found no comments saying “yes, all men behave like this” and whole lot of comments saying things along the line of “I have had this experience and it is a common one for women to have, [some] men do behave like this”.
The pushback you’re getting is because of your behavior, not just because of your position.
Nah, honestly I just didn’t engage with the rest of what you said because you demonstrated that you were going to take very mild criticism of your transparent behavior as a harsh personal insult.
Let me ask a question: by your opinion (self evident, but let’s play this out) what is your take on redditors? Positive? Negative? Even if the word/description weren’t in my vocabulary… I could clearly tell how you meant it. I responded to that behavior. It did amuse me when that became the focal point of the discussion.
commenters like yourself that are rejecting both the entire premise as even conceptually valid along with the possibility of this being based on an experience.
Boy howdy - you are extremely off the mark. In several places I made both an assertion that the artist could have had some bad luck with relationships (implying it surely could happen and may well have) … and that while it may not have been the artists intent: The response in the last panel implies that it is the norm. My issue lies there - as covered in other responses.
The pushback you’re getting is because of your behavior, not just because of your position.
My behavior? Like actually reading a post and responding? Ghastly actions indeed.
The discussion is worth having (my opinion) …and I’ll remind you that I’ve at least paid you the courtesy of reading your responses and replying to them.
Hey lets do a quote-heavy reply, those are always fun!
by your opinion what is your take on redditors?
There’s a prevalent culture on reddit of being more concerned with the form an argument takes, doing things like trying to lay rhetorical traps or transparently feigning ignorance to bait out further responses, than with engaging in a constructive discussion.
That’s what you’re doing here, too - you’re attempting to dictate that my response is a forgone conclusion and thus shape the form of the argument. If you really were interested in this discussion on it’s own merits, you could simply have asked without trying to manipulate the response.
It did amuse me when that became the focal point of the discussion.
Well yes, I criticized your behavior and you responded to that - referencing the specific language I used only makes sense.
compared to the commenters like yourself that are rejecting […]
I very explicitly don’t say that you’re the one doing this, just that people who align with your stated position are also the doing this.
My behavior?
Yes, like what you’re doing in the first sentence of your reply with attempting to dictate the response I give you.
I’ve at least paid you the courtesy of reading your responses and replying to them.
How… kind? I’m genuinely unclear on what you meant by including this, are you implying I somehow haven’t read your comments, despite responding to them?
Hey lets do a quote-heavy reply, those are always fun!
Lots of branches, lots of leaves. My original statements were pretty focused… But here we are.
As a reminder - this branch stemmed (puns) from my pushing somone making a loaded off hand remark to commit to what they were saying by explaining it. You opted to instead reply for them with “everyone knows” and the apparent redditor “barb.”
That’s what you’re doing here, too - you’re attempting to dictate that my response …
I absolutely was. I responded with a measured tit for tat while working towards herding the topic towards an actual discussion point.
It did amuse me when that became the focal point of the discussion.
As stated above.
Well yes, I criticized your behavior and you responded to that - referencing the specific language I used only makes sense.
Yup.
I very explicitly don’t say that you’re the one doing this, just that people who align with your stated position are also the doing this.
Forgive me - but is my stated opinion incorrect? Is the presence of the fourth panels’ assertion about a generalized group doing a generalized thingalmost always not an issue with said group being called out?
I certainly can make quite a few examples and happily will provide parallels. I imagine you can as well with minimal effort. With that in mind - let’s look at the root (hah) of this thread and see if, in addition to the comic ['s fourth panel comment], we see a parallel in what was being implied by the person you jumped in to speak up for.
Yes, like what you’re doing in the first sentence of your reply with attempting to dictate the response I give you.
But you’ve just completely justified my initial comment - you admit you were transparently attempting to manipulate them (and in this discussion did the same to me) instead of engaging in good faith.
This line of discussion has never been about your ideas, it’s been entirely about criticism of your behavior - which you have yourself just explained was completely correct.
The discussion is worth having
But not so worth having that you actually want to have it.
I don’t believe I have to say anything more here, my criticism stands as completely validated.
Everyone here understands what they meant. If you wanna criticize just do it, playing coy like this just makes you look like a redditor.
Odd. I see some examples of “ah yes, men always do just this” peppering the discussion. And if somone comments on the tone of it? We get some pretty harsh reaponses. Quite a bit of duality, don’t you think?
Insulting me for making an observation doesn’t strengthen your argument.
If being called a redditor is what you think of as “harsh” you need to go back to reddit, you’ll never survive here.
If you are going out of your way to make that your focal point… and avoiding the topics at hand you’re clearly out of your depth and flailing. But that was apparent when you defaulted to… Well… what youre doing again, hah.
… Or hey maybe you just sent the reply before getting to the actual discussion points? I eagerly await the rest of your post where you refute the actual talking points I made.
Nah, honestly I just didn’t engage with the rest of what you said because you demonstrated that you were going to take very mild criticism of your transparent behavior as a harsh personal insult.
If you’re really looking forward to it, I’d ask you to go and tally up the number of people saying “yes, all men are like this” compared to the commenters like yourself that are rejecting both the entire premise as even conceptually valid along with the possibility of this being based on an experience. Thus far, and I admit it’s a cursory reading, I have found no comments saying “yes, all men behave like this” and whole lot of comments saying things along the line of “I have had this experience and it is a common one for women to have, [some] men do behave like this”.
The pushback you’re getting is because of your behavior, not just because of your position.
Let me ask a question: by your opinion (self evident, but let’s play this out) what is your take on redditors? Positive? Negative? Even if the word/description weren’t in my vocabulary… I could clearly tell how you meant it. I responded to that behavior. It did amuse me when that became the focal point of the discussion.
Boy howdy - you are extremely off the mark. In several places I made both an assertion that the artist could have had some bad luck with relationships (implying it surely could happen and may well have) … and that while it may not have been the artists intent: The response in the last panel implies that it is the norm. My issue lies there - as covered in other responses.
My behavior? Like actually reading a post and responding? Ghastly actions indeed.
The discussion is worth having (my opinion) …and I’ll remind you that I’ve at least paid you the courtesy of reading your responses and replying to them.
Hey lets do a quote-heavy reply, those are always fun!
There’s a prevalent culture on reddit of being more concerned with the form an argument takes, doing things like trying to lay rhetorical traps or transparently feigning ignorance to bait out further responses, than with engaging in a constructive discussion.
That’s what you’re doing here, too - you’re attempting to dictate that my response is a forgone conclusion and thus shape the form of the argument. If you really were interested in this discussion on it’s own merits, you could simply have asked without trying to manipulate the response.
Well yes, I criticized your behavior and you responded to that - referencing the specific language I used only makes sense.
I very explicitly don’t say that you’re the one doing this, just that people who align with your stated position are also the doing this.
Yes, like what you’re doing in the first sentence of your reply with attempting to dictate the response I give you.
How… kind? I’m genuinely unclear on what you meant by including this, are you implying I somehow haven’t read your comments, despite responding to them?
Lots of branches, lots of leaves. My original statements were pretty focused… But here we are.
As a reminder - this branch stemmed (puns) from my pushing somone making a loaded off hand remark to commit to what they were saying by explaining it. You opted to instead reply for them with “everyone knows” and the apparent redditor “barb.”
I absolutely was. I responded with a measured tit for tat while working towards herding the topic towards an actual discussion point.
As stated above.
Yup.
Forgive me - but is my stated opinion incorrect? Is the presence of the fourth panels’ assertion about a generalized group doing a generalized thing almost always not an issue with said group being called out?
I certainly can make quite a few examples and happily will provide parallels. I imagine you can as well with minimal effort. With that in mind - let’s look at the root (hah) of this thread and see if, in addition to the comic ['s fourth panel comment], we see a parallel in what was being implied by the person you jumped in to speak up for.
How am I doing?
Thanks. I make an effort from time to time.
But you’ve just completely justified my initial comment - you admit you were transparently attempting to manipulate them (and in this discussion did the same to me) instead of engaging in good faith.
This line of discussion has never been about your ideas, it’s been entirely about criticism of your behavior - which you have yourself just explained was completely correct.
But not so worth having that you actually want to have it.
I don’t believe I have to say anything more here, my criticism stands as completely validated.