Of course, israeli prisoners/hostages are well treated, in the futile hope that israelis will have some empathy, and treat palestinians as they’d want to be treated.
I hold for a fact that Israel wouldn’t be able to do the horrors it does if the world was better informed(, the most important is to inform the israelis themselves, and i know that people here will claim that they all perfectly know, but i disagree). Mistakes are the root of evil.
From https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdcE3Fgc

It’s obviously far from the only testimony of tortures, even teenagers aren’t spared.

I posted that two years ago, but didn’t know how widespread it was.
With only a few minutes of researchs you can find dozens of testimonies : https://youtu.be/eIXCI3NuKQ8, https://youtu.be/-On--4b6qf8, https://youtu.be/7BJtpL1aGFs, https://youtu.be/AJi52pMblgQ, https://youtube.com/shorts/IcrF9d8rnJA, https://youtu.be/1JDEXsSuffo, …
I’m so sorry for that useless suffering(, useless because it was supposed to have been over in the 90s).

    • sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.mlOP
      32·
      11 days ago

      I’ve learned that israelis seem to believe that the Palestinian Authority only have to desire a two-states solution to obtain it(, they don’t realize that it’s Israel who’s blocking it !), at least that’s what they said on the internet, pretending that they don’t obtain it because of violence while reversing the cause&effect.
      If that’s indeed the case(, as unbelievable as it seems), then breaking through their ignorance could benefit the palestinian fight.
      (Just a thought i wanted to share because it seemed worth it, /r/IsraelPalestine is disproportionately populated with pro-israelis if you have a few days to spend, i don’t rule out the possibility that none were arguing in good faith because it remains an improbable conclusion on my part)

      • ComradeRandy@lemmygrad.ml
        8·
        11 days ago

        The ethnic cleansing of palestine was massively popular in the apartheid state, you can’t try and lie and say that the genocide wasn’t actively supported by the vast majority of Israeli society, the only ethnic group that displayed even an iota of hesitation or resistance was the arab jewish population. We are not buying you running cover for the zionists, Mr. liberal zionist. Death to “israel.”

        • sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.mlOP
          4·
          11 days ago

          (I just saw your comment, sry for editing my previous one i didn’t know 😬)
          Just know that it wasn’t my intention to defend Israel(, obviously?), i said that because it could benefit the palestinian cause.

          I came on the subreddit mentioned to understand why they “needed” the west bank, and instead they insisted that it’s the palestinians who want Israel despite the explicit demands of the 1967 borders, and pretended that it’s the palestinian violence that prevents a two-states solution, the YT channel mentioned in the selftext kinda confirm that the situation is perceived in a weird way by the israelis.
          I recognize that it’s an overly strange conclusion, i’m doubting myself. Surveys show that 80% of israelis consider themselves the victims in this conflict, so i.d.k., perhaps more israelis don’t understand the situation that we may think. Look at how they speak about security while it’s their colonization of the West Bank and refusal of the Oslo accords that provoke more attacks ?

          It’s not impossible that a palestinian operation could be to send a document in each of their mailbox explaining more clearly that the attacks will continue to happen as long as Israel refuses a palestinian state along the 1967 borders with East-Jerusalem, and more explanations.
          They probably wouldn’t be able to do this more than once, but at least afterwards israelis won’t ever have the excuse of not understanding what’s happening, and that Israel is responsible for Hamas&palestinians attacks.

          But yeah, unironically, stay cautious about the presence of zionists bots/people on the net, like i can’t understand why that popular french account(, banned in the past, obv. by the authorities who else,) has an almost unanimity of comments opposing him, if you look at his posts with dozen of comments, that kind of weird example. I can’t prove anything but these millions/billions spent ought to go somewhere.

          (now i’m searching for surveys proving their brainwashing, but it’s probably not necessary)
          (Netanyahu won in 2019, promising to annex the jordan valley, which is 30% of the west bank, meanwhile israelis somehow believe to be the victims, and that there’s nothing they can do, or that it’s a convenient question of irrecoverable trust(, instead of security measures), it’s so weird/unbelievable)

          I.d.k. how, but that’d be great :