Ya know. The fact that active users was going down made me feel like part of the 1% of stubborn assholes but ever since RiF went dark the only time I’ve been on reddit is when a Google search took me there because fuck spez. I’m in it for the long haul. I won’t be going back. And ya know what? Fuck Google too. I’ve migrated to Firefox and DuckDuckGo since then too. Idk maybe it’s just cause I am stubborn but I refuse to be a hypocrite.
Agreed. I may be principled to a fault, but I’ll never go back to Reddit. It has that corporate miasma to it now.
Truth be told, it had the miasma long before the API changes, but that was the point where the boiled frog croaked for me.
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An old corporate link aggregator. Think Facebook meets Lemmy.
Lemmy is quite the pipeline
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I joined !privacy@lemmy.ml and now I use GrapheneOS (instead of Android), Fedora (instead of Windows), Firefox (instead of chrome), Mullvad VPN, jmp.chat (instead of google voice), and Kagi (instead of google search).
It’s a rabbit hole.
Although Fedora was mostly because an update to windows 11 completely broke it and I didn’t feel like trying to fix windows so I just wiped my laptop and installed Fedora.
I’ve done the same. Even installed linux on my gaming rig. Also moved everything to proton.
Hello fellow stubborner!
Just gave my windows PC to upgrade my kids gaming setup, Linux on a ThinkPad T490 for me now.
It’s such a fresh feeling, no more crap everywhere.
I’ve installed Libreddit to redirect any Google searches that lead me to Reddit. They’re not getting my visit!
I hope you’re donating to the respective libreddit instance hoster, because unlike Reddit, they’re not a multibillion corporation with a steady ad income to pay for their traffic
If you’re not, then I suggest you use old.reddit.com with uBlock Origin
Nice extension, I installed too 👍
I assumed active users was going down partly because some of us created multiple accounts on different instances in the beginning to get a feel for it all, then ended up just using one
Keep up the menentum! Install Signal, migrate to the Proton suite.
fellow Thumb-key user?
Tell me more. Like a yubi key? I haven’t progressed that far yet.
it’s an android keyboard that specializes in thumb movements, and in principle anables one to type fast using a single hand. That being said it is devilishly difficult at first and it has no autotorrect or suggestioins as of yet, causing small misspellings here and there
Search for com.dessalines.thumbkey in F-Droid
This place shall not die. Keep the party going guys.
That’s good. A lot of communities have been slowly dying 🫤 I’ve been using Mastodon more and more but it’s not the same.
soo what happened around December 2022?
I started using Lemmy since September 2022 I think, but I rarely open it, two weeks ago I was permabanned on reddit for report abuse, then semi-unbanned, so I deleted my account, and now I’m starting to use Lemmy actively, there are a lot more servers and users now and I found a new nice server.
I’m wondering if it’ll be similar to people switching from (convenient & centralized) Compuserve and AOL to (difficult but p2p) email and web. That took years.
Slow and steady wins the race.
oh lawd they comin
Had to use the reddit app the other day… That people can stand to be on there still is beyond me. I like it here on the fediverse and im not going back
One issue with Reddit was the extreme even obsesive moderation level. It was totally frustrating to post stuff in some subs, lot of new people just avoid it even experienced users like me.
Not once did I ever get a post in r/showerthoughts past the mods. I eventually stopped trying
I got a bunch of posts removed there too, but tbh I kinda get it. 99% have the same repetitive showerthoughts and the whole sub was by design, super low effort, meaning the garbage : quality content ratio was like 500:1 so they had to rely on brutish rules
Here’s a comment for even more activity!
A very late comment for you
Make those charts explode.
This silence offends Slaanesh! More! LOUDER!
Blimey there’s a name from the past. I remember painting a Citadel Miniature (white metal job) of a demon of Slaanesh. That would have been around 1986-7ish. Four armed thing and looked bloody nasty! That was before Warty-Forty really took off.
I moulded a little skull out of Milliput, with a tiny snake running in through the base and out of an eye socket. I separated a foot from the base and lifted it up a bit and stuck the skull under it. White metal is quite soft but you have to be careful. I spent quite a while modelling “grass” and such. The grass went from a dead looking green/brown around the demon to normal in a sort of circle of ruin.
Nowadays my eyesight can barely see a 00 brushes’ bristles, let alone let me use one.
Had to comment too, we all have to do our part
Response. RESPONSE!!!
Discourse, Debate, Dongles, and on weathered days, Dingles.
Ho Ho Ho
Upwards and onwards!
It could be about programming.dev and lemmynsfw.com stat changes: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4235
TL;DR: By default, Lemmy only counts posts and comments for active users. These instances also started counting the votes. According to Lemmy NSFW admin, there are 3 times more active users with lurkers.
Okay, that makes more sense, I was trying to figure out what had changed in the past week. I’m very curious to see how that data would look for other servers too. I think it’s more logical to count users even if they don’t post or comment, because they are still a critical part of the whole ecosystem if they browse and vote regularly. Even without saying anything, their thoughts and opinions help shape the content and discourse through voting.
And for that matter, weekly active users and daily active users would be two other interesting datapoints. You can see the daily and weekly users on the sidebar of instances, but I don’t know of any tool/site that scrapes all of that info and displays it in an easily digestible format.
if you switch to daily stats you can see a big bump on the 4th, and a smaller bump on the 5th, is that when they made this change?
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
I think if you exclude those 2 days we’re still on a very very slight downward trend, but once every instance adopts the new method it’ll be interesting to see what the trend is after that, it could be that users get tired or posting/commenting and fallback to being lurkers
Ah, that could be it. I would like other instances to do the same, to me ama voting lurker is an active user
Absolutely. Other social media platforms count as active when we mistakenly enter their sites :)
Given all the different ways “active” is defined we may as well just collect all the meanings available.
Mastodon and Twitter etc, for example, count logging on as active.
While I can see the argument for voting, it is qualitatively different from posting/commenting. Knowing both, as well as log in numbers too might make sense. But muddying the waters is probably confusing … though it is interesting that any instance can define what it means by “active”.
I would say that voting isn’t actually different from posting/commenting. It’s a process whereby a user takes part in a discussion/topic/post. In an ideal world, everyone would post, but we shouldn’t act like active people who don’t feel like they have anything to say explicitly, aren’t here.
Totally agree. Even when two commenters are replying to one another, there is always another layer where they are also addressing everyone in the thread/community/instance/fediverse, which obviously includes lurkers.
The votes shape everything about the platform, so ignoring the lurkers in the stats feels like it’s missing an important data point.
How do they handle bots? Seems to me this statistic could be heavily inflated. Or do they account for that?
Here is their listing of users per instance, looks a bit sus to me (“Benutzer” means “Users”):
It’s active users, not total users. I’m not sure on the exact metric, but users need to post, comment, vote or whatever to be counted for this statistic.
Bots on alien.top do that afaik. They impersonate real Reddit users after all.
I don’t think I understand your point about them impersonating users? It seems to me like an account gets created for everyone using the portal. It then provides you a password and you can start using that account. I tried it just now and it seems like your account gets flagged as bot on creation automatically. So most people posting from that domain, might just not have unchecked that “I’m a bot”-tick and are actual former Reddit users.
Creating an account doesn’t make a user active though, but for the question if a bot posting stuff counts as an active user or not, I honestly can’t say.
Afaik the bot auto-creation is disabled now, but it used to mirror some Reddit subreddits by automatically creating bot accounts for every Reddit user posting in them, and then posting the same content in a Lemmy community. That’s how the instance got over a million users, pretty much all of them are bots that do whatever the Reddit user with the same name is doing in one of the mirrored subreddits.
What you are describing is another part of the plan: Allowing the original Reddit users to take over their mirror accounts on Lemmy. Apparently it just creates accounts for them if no bot exists yet.
Good, we need an alternative to Reddit that isn’t manipulated
Give it time and there will be bad actors trying to manipulate Lemmy.
It does kind of have a problem with mod abuse but that’s on a per-community or instance basis, so it’s nowhere near as bad.
I came to Lemmy Reddit’s crackdown on third-party clients. Looking back, I’m pretty happy with how Lemmy is going and how it feels right now. The number of users decreased after the initial spike, sure, but it also stabilized at a respectable level. There are things I’m still missing, but the way it is definitely works for me.
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