Have we really become so unempathetic as a society that the act of putting yourself in others’ shoes is unbelievable to the point that people assume you must be part of the group you’re defending? So I often see people being unfairly discriminatory and mean to certain types, attributes or qualities of people, which I know some would be offended and hurt by. But whenever I stick up for them, I get comments like this: “Tell me you’re x without telling me you’re x”. “F*** off, x”. A good example is gay people or trans people. I get heavily criticised for defending them and people immediately assume that I’m gay or trans just because I’m expressing that I empathise with how they’re treated in society and think people should be kinder toward them. There are lots of other examples but I’m worried I’ll be antagonised here just by saying them, so I picked some slightly more socially acceptable ones (yes there are some far less socially acceptable things than LGBT these days, in my experience, despite the rampant LGBTphobia).

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    Hasn’t been my experience, at least not in real life. I get -however- this happens on the internet. Some people barely read your posts and people on social media mostly reply to oppose and/or argue. Not to have a in-depth discussion.

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    Yup. Circle the wagons! If ya ain’t with us then you agin’ us! Don’t criticize me! And don’t tell me to think! If ya hit my knee, I gonna kick! Twitch

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    People make countless baseless assumptions all the time. Educated people do so less, but no one is immune.

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    I think it’s because no one has the time to actually explain themselves which leads to reactionary events. I dealt with this a lot during 2020. Eventually getting hate from everyone. Also these days social media and news etc has everyone drugged up basically.

    There’s too much preemptive conversation and not enough reality?

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    Empathy for other groups isn’t universal. For some, they are approaching an opinion from a tribal point of view, and therefore disagreement with the policy is disagreeing with the tribe.

    But it can go further than that. I’ve had cases where I’ve tried explaining how things work, and people take that as agreeing with it and therefore I’m part of the other tribe. The idea that people are calm and logical is played out many times as being false.

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      I get that when I try to explain to people what is meant by “Black people can’t be racist”; the difference between overt and systemic racism etc. It’s frustrating that they refuse to even acknowledge the meaning even if they disagree with it. They will continue to argue against the wrong point.

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    Because identity politics has taken over peoples ability for abstract thinking: aka if you are A you can’t support arguments of B. Bc id you support B you ARE B.

    Fuck these post marxist id politics.

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      Historically the role of the police was to catch escaped slaves, and to violently break strikes when unionised workers were fighting for their rights.

      Their foundation was white supremacist violence and violence against the working class in order to keep wage slaves creating profit for the ruling class.

      And that function continues today. The role of the police is literally to use violence to protect the private property of the ruling class and serve their interests.

      Are you a working class person who defends the people keeping you enslaved? Then yes, you’re a bootlicker.

      Also to jump in this thread when OP is talking about queer rights, we have several literal active genocides happening around the world - and the first thing you think of is “what about cops?” is utterly disgusting.

      They can literally just get another job. Being a cop is not like your race, gender identity, etc. which you cannot change.