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I don’t know what CNN did but fuck them until they allow me to see their site with my current cookie restrictions.
Fuck CNN
I love the comment from Chipotle about justice being served.
Justice is a dish best served… with a side of chips and our famous guacamole, and a 20oz fountain drink!
Justice is extra, is that okay?
This is actually very fitting
Everyone should be forced to work a service industry job for at least six months when they’re teenagers. It helps you develop a healthy misanthropy
I’ve always said that if I were elected president, I would institute mandatory retail service instead of mandatory military service. Doesn’t matter if you’re a kid in high school or a ceo making seven figures, everybody has to do their time at some point. Either it would cause world peace or nuclear armageddon, and either one would probably be an improvement.
I’ve said this, except you have a choice:
You can do retail, hospitality, or health services (eg cleaning hospitals, very basic patient support, anything that requires minimal training and won’t do harm to any patient in their care).
I am a Service rep and my mum was a nurse, so we’ve both seen a lot of the worst of humanity. I think people need to extend more empathy to nurses and other medical staff - I understand for many patients, it’s a horrible, scary situation, but these people are (generally) there to help and have to deal with a lot of awful stuff every single day.
More patience and empathy in general would make for a much better society.
I’d add tech support to that list. Cut my teeth there fresh out of school and it really taught me empathy towards service workers of all types. The crazy bullshit that people threw at me due to being stressed and irritated that their stuff isn’t working was very eye-opening.
Yep. Basically any position where you’re in some sort of service to the community.
It really gives you perspective.
Also PTSD.
Damn right. I worked at a fish market for over a decade and there’s a reason that jobs like active duty military and bomb defusal rank below all three of those jobs you listed on the scale of most stressful jobs. People are assholes day in and day out to these kinds of people who literally keep our society running and keep us alive.
Any time I’ve been in the hospital, my motto has always been “If crying, screaming, and pissing myself will help, let me know and I’ll be the first to do so. But until then, it sounds like a whole lot of effort to make everybody’s day worse.”
Absolutely my first job was fast food, and I had no clue the level of entitlement of some people. Some people treat fast food employees like they’re not even people.
That sounds like a way for service industries to exploit their workforce even more; if people have to work them, then competition for those jobs would rise, especially during non school hours. Plus, if school is any indication, kids would put it basically no effort if they have to work there and cant just be fired (and if they can, what happens if they are and therefore cannot complete the six months?). I dont think itd really reduce the entitlement either, itd just become “Ive done my service work so I’m entitled to act however I want, kid!” from those kinds of customers anyway.
This is The Way.
that’s brutal… serve quesadillas with a smile or go to jail… we need a film crew to follow this saga daily…
Undercover Karen
On the one hand, I like this, but on the other hand it’s bad if judges are handing out other people’s every day life as a punishment
This was my first thought as well. But on the other hand, I thinks it’s great if we can set aside our desire for punishment/retribution and just increase empathy. (Walk a mile in their shoes)
Maybe on their last day of service, the person they assaulted gets to throw a burrito bowl in their face. Then we get the best of both worlds.
Some people’s everyday lives are punishment. That’s the world we’ve built.
On top of that, there are those who can’t/won’t learn empathy. The only way they can understand is by actually living through it themselves. I think sentences like this should be commonplace for anyone who commits a crime against a service worker.
This is meant to be rehabilitation by teaching her empathy. Jail won’t change her but this might.
Ultimately jail is meant to be rehabilitation, I see how the punishment fits much better.
But then I’m bias cuz I’m not a fan of the criminal justice system and prison industrial complex in general.
Jail is punishment only. They are cages to make people disappear while middle class white people pray to NIMBY Jesus.
Yeah, that’s the dark reality. I love NIMBY Jesus, thank you I’m adding it to my vocabulary
His full name is actually “supply-side NIMBY capitalist Jesus”, just so you know
Perhaps we don’t call it a punishment. We can call it rehabilitation.
Don’t think of it that way. You’re not saying oh this is terrible so now you have to do this. You’re saying this is a demanding job and you ought to have respect for the people who do it. Give them a little insight into the hardships of the people they’re giving shit
now that’s justice
edit:
Gilligan told CNN he’s not sure Hayne is as sorry as she claimed to be in court, pointing out that she was still complaining about the food during the hearing.
“She still has not picked up that this is not appropriate,” Gilligan told CNN Wednesday.
“You didn’t get your burrito bowl the way you like it, and this is how you respond?” he told Hayne during the hearing. He suggested she’s not going to be happy with the food she’s about to get in jail.
I like this judge.
Gilligan told CNN he thought about the possible unusual sentence a couple of days before the November hearing.
“Every time you watch the video, it makes you more and more upset,” he said. “I was thinking, ‘What else can I do rather than just have her sit in jail.’”
I didn’t know judges could do this. This seems amazing and I love it.
Me neither, this should be a standard punishment for abusing food workers.
The length of time is good, too. It takes you about a month to get competent, and another month to realize that no, it doesn’t matter how good you get. The job sucks regardless.
I hope they put her on register so she gets lots of face time with lovely customers like herself. No fair if she hides in back making guacamole all day!
I mean it is good that she is going to have to see what it is like to work fast food. But I feel so fucking sorry for her co workers. It is going to be hell working with this Karen. And she isn’t going to be there forever so she has no incentive not to be a jackass.
Oh, there’ll be plenty of incentive in a rider on that sentence if she doesn’t meet the standards the judge sets .
I think this fits the bill of cruel and unusual punishment.
I caught your tongue in cheek-ness.
Unusual? Yes. Cruel? No. Educational? Also yes.
Cruel, absolutely yes. A better punishment would be working a prison commissary.
How will the logistics of this work? Are there fast-food restaurants that would accept a privileged Karen with anger management issues as a member of their team? After all, they have a business with tight margins to run, and this sounds like a huge liability.
Free labor, and keep her away from customers. Cleaning, prepping, whatever. If she causes problems, she violates probation and serves the rest of time in prison. Give the store an incentive to deal with her. With thin margins, I’d take those odds. Fuck threatening to fire; if you fuck up, you go back to prison. “Now clean the damn fryer’s like your freedom depended on it”
Don’t keep her from customers. Let the Karen deal with the Karens. Poetic justice.
While it is funny, I don’t think that the punishment for her in this article will really amount to much. If she had the kind of empathy necessary to relate that experience with what she put others through, she wouldn’t have done it in the first place.
Whatever customers like herself that she comes across, I think it’s a 50/50 whether she spends her time doing nothing but exacerbating problems and causing regular scenes or siding with “her people” and breaking rules, stealing, etc. out of spite.
Agree with MrShankles it has to be under threat of breaking probation to even work. Ultimately, she needs more reform than just receiving identical abuse in turn.
Lots of people only experience empathy for other people when they are directly involved or confronted with those people.
Like all those stories of homophobes who reform after learning a loved one is gay. They need their nose shoved in it before they could even picture someone elses viewpoint, but if you do that then they do empathize.
Let the Karen deal with the Karens
It’ll be like dragon ball, but with more screaming.
The article says she has yet to find the job.
Good luck finding someone to hire you for only two months as punishment for abuse. I’m sure they’re scrambling for predetermined extremely short term employment from a toxic pile.
Good sentencing by the judge and screw the woman who threw the food, but I find it a bit silly to go to therapy for “trauma” caused by having food thrown in your face. If she was burned that’s a different story, but I would assume the article would mention it if that were the case.
Trauma isn’t just for life threatening stuff, it’s essentially like having an event or series of events cause a switch to be installed in your brain which activates a feeling or a negative thought process you don’t really control. In a life threatening situation that feeling might be an overwhelming sense of danger and fear for your life or mistrust of people. If it’s loss related it is crushing reminders of your loss and how your life has changed.
In this instance I would imagine it is something more like : the uninteruptable thought process that other people don’t see you as fully human and that you are not a being worthy of basic respect and that something about you in particular invites abuse.
Something like that could be triggered just by showing up to your job and interrupting that thought process takes a lot of work because with trauma it’s basically instant. Working to disassociate the trigger from the feeling while still having to work to support yourself in jobs that reinforce that feeling would be hell. A lot of people who are living paycheck to paycheck are really harmed by just losing a few hours of work so even taking the time to leave and find a new job could create outsized financial issues.
It could be the verbal abuse or the situation as a whole. Idk, everyone is different.
One-time verbal abuse from a stranger is not traumatizing, and neither is thrown food.
Were you there to witness the situation? Do you know exactly what happened and when?
Nope, but any one-time interaction with a stranger that doesn’t result in injury is not traumatizing for the vast majority of people. If it is, that just indicates they should have been in therapy already.
My point is you can’t judge the people involved without knowing the people involved, or at least what happened. It’s kinda unreasonable to assume that everyone involved is perfectly average because a significant chunk of the population isn’t part of “the vast majority.”
Right but the world is cruel, everyone you know will die and then you will too. You’ll probably shit yourself on the way out.
A burrito in the face (sans burns) is literally nothing.
Quantum immortality or biological immortality. Hell, basic empathy.
Burrempathy? How’s the dish doing
No, a burrito to the face is physical abuse. Being verbally and physically abused every day of your job is not how jobs are supposed to work, and viewing things like that as silly small things to be affected by is itself pretty damaging.
If I lean across the counter and punch you in the head, you’re allowed to have some kind of feeling about that. Especially in a setting that heavily discourages and may even punish defending yourself, the way retail often does.
Convincing yourself it’s fine because the world is cruel keeps the world cruel. More importantly, it keeps you from considering you deserve anything other than cruelty. We need to care about each other.
It isn’t fine, your employer and your life should reflect that, but therapy for food in the face is weakness.
Totally aware the crowd here is all “self care, labels, wellness” and I’ll burn for this idea, but if we’re so broken that food to the face is needing another human to talk you through it for 60+ minutes then we are toast.
Good game.
The employer should pay, the criminal should pay. That should cover you.
but therapy for food in the face is weakness.
Ok. Weak people exist. Hell, we all have some weaknesses. Is acknowledging them and working to improve not the right thing to do?
