Kate Wilson won a legal battle against the Metropolitan Police after discovering her long-term boyfriend was an undercover officer

  • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    As horrible this is (as owl said) how do you figure out it is rape?

    Edit: fucking sorry for asking a question, that’s too much for you it seems. “Everything is rape” isn’t the answer ffs.

      • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
        02·
        3 months ago

        Roger Dutton sentenced a 25-year-old woman, Gayle Newland, to eight years in prison for pretending to be a man

        Soon: it was rape because I thought he was nice.

        If everything is rape, then nothing is. Rape is about non-consent, not about deception. Or so I think.

        • Scubus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          You cant consent during deception. If your gf has aids and doesnt tell you, then you didnt consent. That is both the legal and culutral definition of rape.

          • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
            01·
            3 months ago

            Giving someone aids isnt rape, it’s like saying “she shot me during sex so it must be rape”.

        • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          consent doesn’t just mean “yes”… consent means informed consent… consent means non-coerced consent

          my state in australia has recently implemented some fantastic new laws around consent, and have done a really good job of defining some very grey areas

          https://www.respectvictoria.vic.gov.au/news/affirmative-consent

          specifically the section about when someone can not consent is relevant here. it covers things like coercion, feeling like you can’t withdraw consent, abuse of authority (ie covers workplace sexual harassment), age, asleep/unconscious (regardless of previous consent), AND most importantly:

          Despite what a person might like to hear, they haven’t received affirmative consent if:

          …

          • their partner cannot consent – including because of:
            • … being mistaken about the identity of any other person involved

          and in case you think that’s too restrictive, the laws have widely been praised by the BDSM and kink communities - places where non-verbal consent is common… they cover a lot of ways people might consent, and also withdraw consent

          the issue with identity is that she would not have consented if she knew all the details - facts which the man kept from her, knowing that if she knew she would likely not consent

          and that’s key: to consent, you have to have all the information available at the time