• Ledericas@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      a qoute from star trek episode " if diplomacy fails, violence its the only alternative"- evil janeway.

    • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      These two options are not mutually exclusive.

      Do not make it sound like violence is the only option. Peaceful protests invite the community and nurtures rapport.

        • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          1 year ago

          It is morally wrong to call on others to inflict violence.

          Fighting back is not the same as using violence to send a message.

          All it does is give the regime a reason to attack peaceful protesters.

          Peaceful protests are incredibly powerful because that’s all people not working and not buying, and the government can’t just arrest thousands and thousands of peaceful people for no reason.

          That’s why they infiltrate protests with instigators. To give them an excuse to use police violence against peaceful innocent people.

            • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Can you not read?

              Peaceful protests are not the only option on the table, but they are one of the most powerful ones available to us.

              The government cannot touch a peaceful protest with violence without drawing enormous amounts of anger from the rest of the population.

              And the bigger and more regular these protests become, it pulls more and more people out of the labor pool and consumer pool, because nobody is working or buying much of anything on days of protests.

              I can tell you have never been to a single one, because if you had, you would know that peaceful protests is where everyone is coordinating and spreading useful information, because you cannot do that online.

              People who attend peaceful protests go back home learning about boycotts, sabotage, and feeling connected and inspired by others who feel just like they do.

                • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s very ironic to me you are even bringing up Martin Luther King Jr because it makes my point.

                  You know how Black people finally got their civil rights?

                  Lawsuits. Lots and lots and lots of lawsuits.

                  Look it up if you do not believe me.

                  Black lawyers and their allies worked tirelessly to sue local, state, and federal institutions. The peaceful protests brought attention to the lawsuits so they could not be ignored and galvanized the Black community and their allies into a movement of orchestrated action.

                  Millions of people boycotting, even if imperfectly, is fucking devastating for corporate giants and 100% legal.

                  Violent action will not work because taking down an authoritarian regime is a marathon, not a race.

                  It’s going to take a long time to extirpate all the cancer plaguing our institutions, and violent conflicts just make it take even longer.

                  I’m sharing a link with you of an interview between John Stewart and Maria Ressa, who is a journalist that was targeted, attacked, arrested, and charged for her criticisms of Rodrigo Duerte.

                  It’s important to note the role that social media manipulation plays us all into thinking that challenges in court and peaceful protests do not work-- they do, just not in a way that is obvious to someone who is not used to fighting against an authoritarian regime.

            • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              If you believe violence is necessary, you need to be the one that suffers the consequences of it.

              This is a disinformation and manipulation war, and such wars are won with facts and the rule of law.

              You are already seeing institutions rising and forming stronger coalitions.

              You are already seeing the richest man in the world cry like a fucking pussy, knowing he’s completely fucked and hated by the entire world.

              You are already seeing Trump panicking and throwing tantrums because he’s facing a lot more opposition from the people he thought would go along with the plans.

              They’re desperate. They want violence from us so they can justice unleashing police and military violence upon us all.

              The boycotts work. The sabotage works. The solidarity being spread across the nation through peaceful protesting works.

              May 1st.

              Show up if you are not a Russian bot spreading hopelessness and fear.

        • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          I can always tell when someone has not ever been to a peaceful protest because they do not understand their true purpose.

          The problem is that you are thinking of peaceful protests as the only form of action being suggested, when that it is simply not the case.

          What is happening to the United States (and Canada, the Philippines, Turkey, Hungary, etc.) is an incredibly powerful disinformation campaign, meant to spread division, lies, hopelessness, anger, and fear through social media.

          Step one to fight back is to get off social media and start engaging with your community directly.

          At peaceful protests, you will connect with:

          1. Groups looking for volunteers to organize even bigger protests and form coalitions.
          2. Lists of businesses to boycott
          3. Planned labor strikes and food drives for striking local union members
          4. Sign ups for phone calls and letters to Congressional members calling for action.
          5. Establishing support networks in case disaster strikes the community with first aid training.
          6. Information on how to be prepared in case martial law is enacted and what to do if a protest turns violent.
          7. All kinds of artists and musicians, using their talents to spread the word.
          8. Peaceful protests are the best way to connect with underground and secret coalitions, because it is imperative all coordination takes place completely outside of the Internet for obvious reasons.

          There’s a lot more happening, so why don’t you just attend one and find out for yourself if I’m telling you the truth or not?

          • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            I did attend. The most that happened is i signed up for a lot of email lists and now i get emails that bring me to more events where we don’t accomplish things and trade emails.

            Not a single thing you have listed involves removing fascists from power.

            Thanks for making me feel validated.

            • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              You know how Black people finally got their civil rights?

              Lawsuits. Lots and lots and lots of lawsuits.

              Look it up if you do not believe me.

              Black lawyers and their allies worked tirelessly to sue local, state, and federal institutions. The peaceful protests brought attention to the lawsuits so they could not be ignored and galvanized the Black community and their allies into a movement of orchestrated action.

              Millions of people boycotting, even if imperfectly, is fucking devastating for corporate giants and 100% legal.

              Violent action will not work because taking down an authoritarian regime is a marathon, not a race.

              It’s going to take a long time to extirpate all the cancer plaguing our institutions, and violent conflicts just make it take even longer.

              I’m sharing a link with you of an interview between John Stewart and Maria Ressa, who is a journalist that was targeted, attacked, arrested, and charged for her criticisms of Rodrigo Duerte.

              It’s important to note the role that social media manipulation plays us all into thinking that challenges in court and peaceful protests do not work-- they do, just not in a way that is obvious to someone who is not used to fighting against an authoritarian regime.

                • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Hitler committed suicide, dumbass.

                  Again, peaceful protests are not a mutually exclusive option. They are simply the most accessible and most important in order to amplify labor strikes and boycotting.

                  Don’t fall for the propaganda calls for violence, it’s all an excuse to unleash violence upon peaceful protesters.

                  This marathon against fear and authoritarianism is only going to be won with facts and rule of law.

      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        I don’t believe peaceful protests have been effective since the civil rights era.

        I can’t legally justify violence.

        What’s the third option?

        • pohart@programming.dev
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          They’ve put a lot of effort into convincing us that it’s was only peaceful protests that were effective in the civil rights era. IDK if they were really peaceful but at the time they were certainly called violent.

          And the government made sure to make white people genuinely afraid of violence.

        • quetzaldilla@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          You can personally perpetuate violence against our oppressors.

          Just don’t call on others to do so first.

          Other options:

          1. Boycott
          2. Sabotage
          3. Organize coalitions to take concerted action
  • DogPeePoo@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    ·
    1 year ago

    Also, probably don’t do Nazi salutes on stage for the world to see, you absolute twat waffle.

  • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    1 year ago

    Spin spin spin.

    Loser was always going to be out by the end of May. This is spin to pump the stock.