It’s essentially unknowable, because the moment we remove third party votes, we can’t say for certain that margins the major parties would’ve ended up with. There’s too many variables to say with certainty. I’ll concede that all else being equal third party votes wouldn’t have shifted any EC votes, but my point is that all else isn’t equal in this hypothetical. What is true third party voting could’ve shifted the popular vote, and if it did and Trump still won we’d be looking at the third time the popular vote didn’t match the popular vote in the last seven elections, all benefiting republicans. I’m not saying those wins weren’t valid (except maybe 2000), but it does highlight something worth reevaluating.

BOTH parties refuse to change

The [National Popular Vote Interstate Compact](National Popular Vote Interstate Compact) would like a word. Just because there isn’t support in Congress for an amendment abolishing the EC, doesn’t mean there isn’t bipartisan support for overriding it.

Very cool. You can reach out if you or she has any questions. I’ve far from an expert, but I have submitted and am currently waiting.

Sounds open and shut. If you haven’t already, put together all the paperwork you intend on submitting, minus the one you are waiting for. They want color (sorry, colour) copies of the certified copies. Yes, you read that right; do no send the actual certified copies; make color copies of them, as nothing will be returned to you.

There is evidence that you can file now with what you have (the online copies of your great grandfather’s birth record), and amend them online to the application once you receive them. That’s what I did. Certified copies all the way up the chain until the Canadian ancestor himself, for whom I submitted a simple print out (not certified) of his birth/baptism record. I’ve since received the certified copy from Quebec, which I’ll upload as soon as the application appears accepted and online.

You! I like you.

Even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was. Look it up.

Okay, I did. Harris lost the popular vote by roughly 2.285 million votes.

Green Party (Stein/Aware): 862,000 votes. Independent (Kennedy/Shanahan): 756,000 votes.
Libertarian (Oliver/Maat): 650,000 votes.
Other: 650,000 votes. Combined: 2.919 million.

Disproving your point technically, but your point is still taken.

But the popular vote doesn’t decide the election, you say.

In Trump’s three largest swing states, that if lost would’ve meant he lost the election, 31k greater votes went to a third party (260k) than his eventual margin (230k).

I’m not here to say there’s no place for voting 3rd party, but rather to refute your point that Trump would’ve won without the third party voters. Demonstratively not necessary true.

I like Zinn, but a lot has happened in the 46 years since publication (23 since last updated). Book remains a must read, but you have to remember that.

It’s hard to take seriously your complaint of the poorly educated when the complaint contains poor spelling and grammar.

Do you have any paper proof of the connection your Canadian Lothario had with his US born offspring? That’s likely a sticking point if you do not.

Do you think people who are doing this “just in case” are the types that voted republican?

And just so we’re clear, the law that allows for this is a Canadian law.

Sure. Pretty much certified copies of documents proving your Canadian-born ancestor was born in Canada (commonly birth or baptism records), and certified copies of birth records linking you to them through every generation.

For me, I had access to my, my father’s, and his father’s, birth certificates. Easy. I ordered a birth certificate for my great-grandmother from the US county in which she was born to Canadian-born parents. I also ordered birth/baptism records for both my great-great-grandparents from the cities/provinces in which they were born. Packaged it up along with a family tree and sent it off. Still waiting, but feel pretty confident I’ll get word back that Canada recognizes my citizenship through descent.

The cost to request a formal birth record from Quebec alone (via the BANQ) recently went from $30 to over $300

Well shit, glad I got mine in early. I would agree with the sentiment of “costs skyrocketing.”

I myself am “applying,” but am not doing it “just in case” nor do I intend on moving there. I’m earnestly doing it because Canada is cool, and the spirit and letter of the law is recognizing “lost Canadians” as Canadians. I honestly don’t look at it as an escape route, but ask me again when my son is draft age.

What costs? My biggest expense was the $80US for overnight fedex. Add $20 for citizen photos and 1 barely broke a c note.

It is if you’ve ever picked up your passport.

Not “eligible” for citizenship, actually de facto citizens. If your ancestor is from Canada, you are a Canadian citizen. People “applying” (such as myself) are simply writing for official recognition.

We avoid YT ads just fine.

Whatever works for you. Not going to fly in my house. Plus, again, YouTube isn’t that important.

Acceptance of ads, yes. Or more to the point, YouTube isn’t that important.

Keyboard and mouse control and a random laptop hooked up with HDMI for a living room or bedroom TV isn’t high on the wife approval scale.

By that metric, you can’t pass anything, lest the inevitable “tyrant” abuse it. That logic would apply equally to Eisenhower’s freeways (for fear of moving an occupying force around the country) as it does to the draft.

I didn’t have any greater objection to the draft existing on Jan 20 2025 as I did during Trump’s first term or during Obama’s or during Clinton’s (when I signed the selective service card.) Indeed, there could just as well be a theoretical real need for immediate national defense in which a draft might be understandable as there is a tyrant abusing it. To wit, you alluded to Vietnam, a “war” where one of its defining historical contexts is Americans objections to fighting it. Compare that to the draft in World War 2.

The issue here isn’t the draft existing (not really), it’s the optics of an unpopular president appearing to getting ready to use it for an unpopular and aggressive war.