• @lloram239@feddit.de
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    4 months ago

    In fact, machine translation started much earlier than this AI craze…

    …and has since than switched over to deep learning based stuff like everything else. This “current” AI craze is not new, it has been going on for over a decade if you paid attention.

    The thing is no one is outraged about machine translation because it is not a primary creative process.

    But reading text from a script is? Seriously? It takes substantial creative effort to translate jokes into something that works in other cultures as well as have the dialog in another language fit into existing lip motions. All of which is now getting replaced by AI. And of course all the voice actors that did the dubs are out of a job as well.

    • @sculd@beehaw.org
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      04 months ago

      You might have misunderstood. I absolutely understand good translation is art.

      I am also disappointed that they are being replaced by machine. There are so many times when I would walk into a movie and notice the subtitle is shit, and then spent the whole time thinking how I would translate that part instead of watching the movie.

      The above is just me stating why many people forgot about translators.

      Narration is also an art. A good narrator can make the script much more engaging than say…someone just reading from the script. I have seen the difference first hand and it is substantial.

      • @flora_explora@beehaw.org
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        Maybe instead of just blindly ranting about a new technology we should focus on what’s important: the quality of the end product. Do we enjoy movies by real actors or by AI? Like, having some celebrities in place who are doing the acting is also a construct of society. We should be able to adapt and see what’s beneficial to us all. Well, although not really possible because capitalism doesn’t care about what people need or want. Who gets to be an well paid actor and who doesn’t is already a fucked up system deeply rooted in capitalism. I don’t care about the Attenboroughs or Bruce Willis’ of the world (to be clear: extraordinarily well paid people). I care about art that resonates with people and that gives us joy.

        • @sculd@beehaw.org
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          04 months ago

          Why do you say this is blind ranting? I have listed reasons that I think the situation is unacceptable. My arguments are all against the talking points, not the poster. You are being very rude and making the discussion toxic.

          Responding to your enjoyment point:

          AI will replace human creators not exactly because it’s better, but because it’s cheaper and more scalable, which means they will be adopted in this neoliberal society.

          We are already seeing this in mobile games in China where developers use AI generated art.

          Is this the future you want?

          • RandoCalrandian
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            04 months ago

            Because it looks like blind ranting

            You’ve completely ignored all the people who have been replaced by automation and had to adapt as “oh that’s not important enough in my eyes to force companies to use humans”

            The future you want is far worse than the one you’re ranting about. Yours has only the wealthy and powerful enjoying protections from automation, while everyone else doesn’t matter (to you, based on your own arguments)

            • @sqgl@beehaw.org
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              “ranting”? Really? I escaped Reddit because people were unnecessarily rude there. There is a way to discuss stuff without being nasty to each other like you and @flora_explora have been to @sculd.